I am one of many women who had to find any means possible to terminate my unwanted pregnancy in 1967. Mexico was my parent's choice. The "operation" permanently hindered my ability to carry to full term. This is no joke. I wanted to relay this to any of the younger women today who do not fully understand the implications of this religious/politicized supreme court decision. And thank you Michael for your continued support for all women's rights.
I am wondering if the court's decision will be purposely delayed until after the mid-terms for fear of negative reactions to their expected spring decision.
The main question I have is why that dick lawyer for Mississippi keeps mentioning "the people" when he's actually referring to a bunch of mostly white MALE Republicans in charge of that state (indeed, most if not all states wanting to remove rights from women). IMO, no men WHATSOEVER should even get to vote on something that ONLY affects women. Men would very likely storm the capital AGAIN if somehow women got to vote on anything regarding MALE rights over their bodies. Everyone on this thread knows full well that wealthy white women will still be able to get abortions wherever and whenever they want. This is one more law that will crush poor whites and people of color even more than they already are. If we ban abortion are we going to level the playing field by forcing men who impregnate multiple women (and don't take responsibility for the child) to get vasectomies? I'd love to hear dick Mississippi lawyer argue that case.
Is it just me, or did Justice Thomas sound like an incoherent drunk. He railed on and on about abortion not being in the 2nd Amendment, or 4th Amendment, or anywhere else n the Constitution. Doesn't he know anything about past SCOTUS decisions or precedence? Maybe he should be tested for dementia, and if positive, he should be replaced. And what about "Beerman" Kavanaugh, saying maybe we should just punt it back to the states. So he can wash his hands of any responsibility as a SCOTUS justice? What's the alcohol content of the beer he's been drinking? Then there's Justice RBG Replacement (NOT!) that thinks now that states have safe haven laws, why can't women with unwanted pregnancies just bite the bullet and go thru childbirth for the fun and pain of it then give up their child for adoption. And she's a woman! They are making a mockery of the Supreme Court and is precisely the reason people are losing faith in their institution of law, which I use loosely.
I don't think we should wait for their decision in June of 2022. The Women's Healthcare Protection Act which passed the House and is now sitting in Senate limbo. This law includes a codification of Roe v Wade. It's a must next step, but guess what's standing in its way? Anybody want to guess? That's right, the FILIBUSTER! And what's wrong with the Filibuster? That's right, the 60-vote rule part of it is Unconstitutional. Senator Whitehouse tweeted yesterday that "Republicans used the 60-vote filibuster to demand a majority-vote amendment. Think about that". Yes, if you think about it, it's illogical, irrational, and wrong to need 60 votes to get to a final vote where 51 votes are needed to pass a bill or amendment. I feel like I'm screaming in the wilderness and nobody is listening. Heaven help us.
At 85 years of age, the last 25 years have been a horror show for me. I never would believe, we, my beloved America, the America my brother die for in WWII, the country my father and other brother fought for, the thousands of Gold Star parents who’s children died for, the hundreds of quilts me and my Quilting friends donated to the parents of those young men and woman who gave their lives for? And now, we have children killing children because their parents think they should have automatic guns?!! Shameful! This is now my country?! Disgusting.
I have neglected to thank you and your staff for the list of organizations you listed which I can support immediately and who are helping women today.
I have also neglected to say that I believe abortion is a women's health issue, not a moral issue.
I was very heartened to hear all of Justice Sotomayer's words / exchanges as I listened again to the broadcast (4 times so far).
As for my continued references to music / musicians, I hope that these references have not served to minimize the importance of the moment. Nor to distract in a flippant way the energies at play here.
All the Arts and Humanities contribute to my way of being in the world, yet I remain open to wider worlds, opinions, ways of being and the firsthand experiences of others.
I want to thank you and your staff for being a bridge to the worlds I am unfamiliar with, and to the people who are knowledgeable within them.
First ... thanks for the post! Listening to the Court was an eye-opening education without the media dilution and interpretive summaries - but not a particularly happy one. Maybe it is just me, however after all the convoluted argumentation and drift (Thomas) about fetal "viability", absence in the Constitution of definitive direction, changing historical social morays and, of course, states' rights, I am left with the feeling that the core issue of who ultimately"owns" our bodies and determines permissible behavior was largely ignored, cavalierly assumed and given short shrift. The state, the church, the law, of course. Does the state know (or care) about my life circumstances, pay my bills and "own" my whole future? Does the church "own" my body and presume to dictate how I live and die and control my soul? Does the law, which is not divine, but completely arbitrary and anthropomorphic, have to be grounded in the limited vision of the Constitution and time-stamped by a mere 200 years of social convention? Where am I in all of this? A compliant robot( maybe soon in the Matrix), but not in a still analog physical world.
The unvaccinated scream about denial of their illimitable liberty to do whatever they wantand psychopaths are entitled to buy guns, but if I choose not to procreate or can't see parenting as a viable option, my freedom is a sin? Bringing a life into the world has got to be about the most personal decision a person is faced with. You can't divorce from a child like dissolve a marriage. You can't change your beliefs if they no longer resonate with you? Shouldn't I - alone - make this decision? The Court reduces me to a number, a historical trend, a commodity to be regulated, a slave. The context of the Court is way too narrow and its power way too great.
1st I'd like to share my sorrow with you over the school shooting in your beloved Michigan. I am so very sad for this trauma -- to all and for all. I am grateful you have Basil and Nick and all your family and friends nearby, Mike. I understand this breaks your heart.
2nd, thank you for this podcast.
I listened last night, with quiet in the house, no visual distractions, only warm tea to keep me company.
I appreciated hearing the voices, all of them. No faces to observe was very helpful.
I will listen again over the coming days, as there were some legal words and phrases I was unfamiliar with and need to understand to keep this all in full context in my head.
The proceedings were so very rich and require me, at least, to hear them more than once.
I appreciated the questions on the Constitution and precedent.
That said, I did not hear any sensible argument for changing precedent or the law as it stands in the full United States of America for all women in every State.
I support Roe v Wade unconditionally for all women.
Always have.
I was reminded also of something I heard many years ago-- one of the surest ways for women to enter poverty is to have a child. And poverty keeps people oppressed. All people.
Please let's keep the thought that freedom for one is freedom for all.
Hang in there, Mike.
I know you get mad as a hatter. Understandable to me.
Still, your personal health is important.
Stay hydrated, go for a walk and get some fresh air, please.
Thank you Michael. I heard the second half of the arguments live, but I missed the first half. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic, however, I don’t think Mississippi proved their case. I’m glad to know that the conservative justices asked both women the tough questions. By doing so they gave each woman the opportunity to further make their case.
So Rittenhouse, Apparently, it is legal for Rittenhouse to carry an AR-15. I did not know that. I assumed he was carrying the gun illegally. Darn those, ambiguous hunting laws that allow kids to shoot people.
Thank You Michael, for posting SCOTUS arguments. This is historical. We need to be ready to rumble in the streets, peacefully, when we get the word. Our nation of misogyny needs to end if there's any hope for our democracy. It's bad enough with close to 70% of rape cases being dropped and rapists given light sentences or none at all. But denying women their inalienable right over their body is unconstitutional.
The Corporate Christian Conservative is the driving force of the misogyny, as you rightly emphasize. They are the ones who voted Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh to the bench despite credible allegations of sexual harassment and assault. True to form, they blame women for unwanted pregnancies.
Making abortion illegal again or impossible to attain, will make it worse, like before.
All in the name of their God and religion to dominate and control women's lives.
The movie Cider House Rules shows why abortion needs to be legal.
I found Jennifer Crumbley's letter to Trump chilling. Beyond the expletive-laced message to a US President and her unsurprising victimization claim, beyond the false narrative of how she is not a racist and HER forebears worked hard, but current immigrants want everything to be free, beyond actually congratulating Trump for his miserable garbled 3rd grade vocabulary ... when her son's last words were "Help me" and she ignores him and runs!!?? Makes Ritenhouse's mother seem like a real parent. Her finger was on that damned trigger too.
Sad but she believed Trump and I am sure the right wing funded media that sold him but she is no law abiding citizen and she is a person that bought into those lazy dark skinned people it is right in her words and if you have to say I am not a racist you are a racists and bought into that wall thing blaming the wrong people for her situation and they made sure people like her blamed them but these people need counseling and her son needs love and understanding they must have consequences but not out Prison system it only destroys any humanity they have left
Michael, did you watch 60 minutes for Dec 5th? One of the items was about China, a guy whom use to work for Trump was critizing the new rules that Xi is bringing in, cracking down on the super rich, there were two Chinese commentators explaining that Xi was doing the right thing.
I am not a big fan of Xi, however, I. Was thinking he was doing what the American government should be doing.
I hope you will address this in your next Rumble with Michael. My name is Gene McDonnell.
My heart aches for the many girls/women who will have to birth their rapist’s babies, the women whose lives will be at risk if they continue with their pregnancies, the young women who will have their lives derailed due to an unwanted pregnancy, etc. etc. I never thought I would, as a 63 year old woman live to see the day our country would take such a drastic and dystopian step. More religious decisions from this “court” will come down on us all. This is just the beginning.
I am one of many women who had to find any means possible to terminate my unwanted pregnancy in 1967. Mexico was my parent's choice. The "operation" permanently hindered my ability to carry to full term. This is no joke. I wanted to relay this to any of the younger women today who do not fully understand the implications of this religious/politicized supreme court decision. And thank you Michael for your continued support for all women's rights.
I am wondering if the court's decision will be purposely delayed until after the mid-terms for fear of negative reactions to their expected spring decision.
The main question I have is why that dick lawyer for Mississippi keeps mentioning "the people" when he's actually referring to a bunch of mostly white MALE Republicans in charge of that state (indeed, most if not all states wanting to remove rights from women). IMO, no men WHATSOEVER should even get to vote on something that ONLY affects women. Men would very likely storm the capital AGAIN if somehow women got to vote on anything regarding MALE rights over their bodies. Everyone on this thread knows full well that wealthy white women will still be able to get abortions wherever and whenever they want. This is one more law that will crush poor whites and people of color even more than they already are. If we ban abortion are we going to level the playing field by forcing men who impregnate multiple women (and don't take responsibility for the child) to get vasectomies? I'd love to hear dick Mississippi lawyer argue that case.
Is it just me, or did Justice Thomas sound like an incoherent drunk. He railed on and on about abortion not being in the 2nd Amendment, or 4th Amendment, or anywhere else n the Constitution. Doesn't he know anything about past SCOTUS decisions or precedence? Maybe he should be tested for dementia, and if positive, he should be replaced. And what about "Beerman" Kavanaugh, saying maybe we should just punt it back to the states. So he can wash his hands of any responsibility as a SCOTUS justice? What's the alcohol content of the beer he's been drinking? Then there's Justice RBG Replacement (NOT!) that thinks now that states have safe haven laws, why can't women with unwanted pregnancies just bite the bullet and go thru childbirth for the fun and pain of it then give up their child for adoption. And she's a woman! They are making a mockery of the Supreme Court and is precisely the reason people are losing faith in their institution of law, which I use loosely.
I don't think we should wait for their decision in June of 2022. The Women's Healthcare Protection Act which passed the House and is now sitting in Senate limbo. This law includes a codification of Roe v Wade. It's a must next step, but guess what's standing in its way? Anybody want to guess? That's right, the FILIBUSTER! And what's wrong with the Filibuster? That's right, the 60-vote rule part of it is Unconstitutional. Senator Whitehouse tweeted yesterday that "Republicans used the 60-vote filibuster to demand a majority-vote amendment. Think about that". Yes, if you think about it, it's illogical, irrational, and wrong to need 60 votes to get to a final vote where 51 votes are needed to pass a bill or amendment. I feel like I'm screaming in the wilderness and nobody is listening. Heaven help us.
At 85 years of age, the last 25 years have been a horror show for me. I never would believe, we, my beloved America, the America my brother die for in WWII, the country my father and other brother fought for, the thousands of Gold Star parents who’s children died for, the hundreds of quilts me and my Quilting friends donated to the parents of those young men and woman who gave their lives for? And now, we have children killing children because their parents think they should have automatic guns?!! Shameful! This is now my country?! Disgusting.
I have neglected to thank you and your staff for the list of organizations you listed which I can support immediately and who are helping women today.
I have also neglected to say that I believe abortion is a women's health issue, not a moral issue.
I was very heartened to hear all of Justice Sotomayer's words / exchanges as I listened again to the broadcast (4 times so far).
As for my continued references to music / musicians, I hope that these references have not served to minimize the importance of the moment. Nor to distract in a flippant way the energies at play here.
All the Arts and Humanities contribute to my way of being in the world, yet I remain open to wider worlds, opinions, ways of being and the firsthand experiences of others.
I want to thank you and your staff for being a bridge to the worlds I am unfamiliar with, and to the people who are knowledgeable within them.
First ... thanks for the post! Listening to the Court was an eye-opening education without the media dilution and interpretive summaries - but not a particularly happy one. Maybe it is just me, however after all the convoluted argumentation and drift (Thomas) about fetal "viability", absence in the Constitution of definitive direction, changing historical social morays and, of course, states' rights, I am left with the feeling that the core issue of who ultimately"owns" our bodies and determines permissible behavior was largely ignored, cavalierly assumed and given short shrift. The state, the church, the law, of course. Does the state know (or care) about my life circumstances, pay my bills and "own" my whole future? Does the church "own" my body and presume to dictate how I live and die and control my soul? Does the law, which is not divine, but completely arbitrary and anthropomorphic, have to be grounded in the limited vision of the Constitution and time-stamped by a mere 200 years of social convention? Where am I in all of this? A compliant robot( maybe soon in the Matrix), but not in a still analog physical world.
The unvaccinated scream about denial of their illimitable liberty to do whatever they wantand psychopaths are entitled to buy guns, but if I choose not to procreate or can't see parenting as a viable option, my freedom is a sin? Bringing a life into the world has got to be about the most personal decision a person is faced with. You can't divorce from a child like dissolve a marriage. You can't change your beliefs if they no longer resonate with you? Shouldn't I - alone - make this decision? The Court reduces me to a number, a historical trend, a commodity to be regulated, a slave. The context of the Court is way too narrow and its power way too great.
Morning Mike and all reading this,
1st I'd like to share my sorrow with you over the school shooting in your beloved Michigan. I am so very sad for this trauma -- to all and for all. I am grateful you have Basil and Nick and all your family and friends nearby, Mike. I understand this breaks your heart.
2nd, thank you for this podcast.
I listened last night, with quiet in the house, no visual distractions, only warm tea to keep me company.
I appreciated hearing the voices, all of them. No faces to observe was very helpful.
I will listen again over the coming days, as there were some legal words and phrases I was unfamiliar with and need to understand to keep this all in full context in my head.
The proceedings were so very rich and require me, at least, to hear them more than once.
I appreciated the questions on the Constitution and precedent.
That said, I did not hear any sensible argument for changing precedent or the law as it stands in the full United States of America for all women in every State.
I support Roe v Wade unconditionally for all women.
Always have.
I was reminded also of something I heard many years ago-- one of the surest ways for women to enter poverty is to have a child. And poverty keeps people oppressed. All people.
Please let's keep the thought that freedom for one is freedom for all.
Hang in there, Mike.
I know you get mad as a hatter. Understandable to me.
Still, your personal health is important.
Stay hydrated, go for a walk and get some fresh air, please.
You are loved by so many!
When Ronald Reagan invited Jerry Falwell into the White House in 1980....I knew then that was the beginning of the end for Roe v Wade.
Thank you Michael. I heard the second half of the arguments live, but I missed the first half. Perhaps I’m being too optimistic, however, I don’t think Mississippi proved their case. I’m glad to know that the conservative justices asked both women the tough questions. By doing so they gave each woman the opportunity to further make their case.
Welcome to Gilead. https://www.facebook.com/ira.dember/posts/10223264587616561
So Rittenhouse, Apparently, it is legal for Rittenhouse to carry an AR-15. I did not know that. I assumed he was carrying the gun illegally. Darn those, ambiguous hunting laws that allow kids to shoot people.
Thank You Michael, for posting SCOTUS arguments. This is historical. We need to be ready to rumble in the streets, peacefully, when we get the word. Our nation of misogyny needs to end if there's any hope for our democracy. It's bad enough with close to 70% of rape cases being dropped and rapists given light sentences or none at all. But denying women their inalienable right over their body is unconstitutional.
The Corporate Christian Conservative is the driving force of the misogyny, as you rightly emphasize. They are the ones who voted Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh to the bench despite credible allegations of sexual harassment and assault. True to form, they blame women for unwanted pregnancies.
Making abortion illegal again or impossible to attain, will make it worse, like before.
All in the name of their God and religion to dominate and control women's lives.
The movie Cider House Rules shows why abortion needs to be legal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cider_House_Rules_(film)
Michael Caine as Dr. Larch simply says: "I'm not playing God. I'm giving them what they want."
It is an inalienable right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JES2fQLPoGU
(3:05)
I found Jennifer Crumbley's letter to Trump chilling. Beyond the expletive-laced message to a US President and her unsurprising victimization claim, beyond the false narrative of how she is not a racist and HER forebears worked hard, but current immigrants want everything to be free, beyond actually congratulating Trump for his miserable garbled 3rd grade vocabulary ... when her son's last words were "Help me" and she ignores him and runs!!?? Makes Ritenhouse's mother seem like a real parent. Her finger was on that damned trigger too.
Sad but she believed Trump and I am sure the right wing funded media that sold him but she is no law abiding citizen and she is a person that bought into those lazy dark skinned people it is right in her words and if you have to say I am not a racist you are a racists and bought into that wall thing blaming the wrong people for her situation and they made sure people like her blamed them but these people need counseling and her son needs love and understanding they must have consequences but not out Prison system it only destroys any humanity they have left
Michael, did you watch 60 minutes for Dec 5th? One of the items was about China, a guy whom use to work for Trump was critizing the new rules that Xi is bringing in, cracking down on the super rich, there were two Chinese commentators explaining that Xi was doing the right thing.
I am not a big fan of Xi, however, I. Was thinking he was doing what the American government should be doing.
I hope you will address this in your next Rumble with Michael. My name is Gene McDonnell.
My heart aches for the many girls/women who will have to birth their rapist’s babies, the women whose lives will be at risk if they continue with their pregnancies, the young women who will have their lives derailed due to an unwanted pregnancy, etc. etc. I never thought I would, as a 63 year old woman live to see the day our country would take such a drastic and dystopian step. More religious decisions from this “court” will come down on us all. This is just the beginning.