Thank you greatly, Michael, for being YOU, for being concerned, for caring about the future of this country, when almost a half of its population wants to deprive the U.S. of its future. 26 years ago, our family immigrated to the United States from Russia, and my youngest son was born here. On March 28, 2020, the damn virus-19 stole my dear husband and the father of my children from us. The darkness thickened, every day of the 45th presidency filled my life with horror. When the January 6, 2020 happened, it seemed that the country would no longer recover from an irreversible disease. Today, hope still exists, thanks to the people like you. Thank you greatly, Michael, please be healthy and well-being, together with your family and like-minders.
If someone comes up with socialism = communism, tell them to look up those terms in the dictionary! We've had socialism ever since FDR's Social Security! Would they like to give up their Social Security?
The judge is obviously part of the white supremacist and corrupt government and policing system, that looked the other way when terrorists like Rittenhouse were attacking the anti police protesters. I think this judge was specifically put on the bench in this case to help Rittenhouse as much as possible.
We obviously don't have a fair equal justice system in this country, what we have is a racist white supremacist injustice system. There are so many white supremacists in the police department and the judicial system, it was obvious from the beginning that Rittenhouse was going to get away with murder and attempted murder, when that criminal judge Schroeder said the protesters could only be referred to as rioters or insurrectionists.
The white supremacist defense attorney picked white supremacist right wing jurors, and evidence such as Rittenhouse was under age to carry a weapon of war, brought the illegal weapon across three states, and brought that weapon into to the protest, which would make everyone have a need to be ready to try to defend your self, not knowing what the intentions of this person coming at you with an AR 15 are.
Rittenhouse came at these people he shot killed and wounded, forcing them into a defensive position, and then Rittenhouse shot them saying it was because he was frightened for his life, when it was him who forced the situation. You do not have the right to say you were in fear for your life, when you are the aggressor.
The problem is too many people in this country have an inherent problem where they live in their own reality and believe both parties work for the government and the people. They are in denial of the fact that the Republican Party works only for the corporations and billionaires who are conducting a Coup, for control of the country and turn it into a fascist, authoritarian Oligarchy.
I would feel like an attorney in a courtroom if at Thanksgiving dinner, I asked my skeptical relatives a series of logical questions meant to lead them into clear thinking. It wouldn't work. If they saw they were becoming cornered, they'd change the subject and bring up some stupid disingenuous stuff that the leaders who are supposed to be on our side have done in recent times. It's no use. Luckily the world is full of fun subjects that have nothing to do with politics (or else sneaky subliminal politics) so I usually channel somebody like Groucho Marx to throw everyone off their trains of thought.
If someone comes up with socialism = communism, tell them to look up those terms in the dictionary! We've had socialism ever since FDR's Social Security! Would they like to give up their Social Security?
I appreciated this podcast. I laughed a lot at some of yours and Basel's comments about how ridiculous people's wrong-headed thinking is from the right! But I have cousins -ex-suburban Chicago police, etc. who were anti-vaxxers until their younger brother died from COVID and then the entire family got vaccinated wheras my side of the family and one of their brothers did not know how to convince them. I emailed them and just pleaded gently that they get vaccinated and was there at the funeral. Fortunately, I had trained to Chicago during that time to visit my 96 yr. old aunt and was able to attend the memorial and funeral. In homage to my cousin, Jim, I leave you with the code by which he lived by: The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds from good will and an acute sense of propriety, and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies; who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty, the obscure man of his obscurity, or any man of his inferiority or deformity; who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another; who does not flatter wealth, cringe before power, or boast of his own possessions or achievements; who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy; whose deed follows his word; who thinks of the rights and feelings of others, rather than his own; and who appears well in any company, a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe. by John Walter Wayland For me this is how we need to treat our Cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs relatives. Great podcast and so grounded with the voice of reason from you both. Thank you! May we think of our native lands that we live on and prosper from its richness! Happy, Healthy and Safe Thanksgiving! Janice
Thanksgiving is a time when I feel most alone as all of my family of origin has passed on, and I've been divorced since 1989. So more often than not it's just me and my youngest son who still lives with me that celebrate the day, as we do every other day. That being said, I get sick to my stomach even thinking about having to spend a wonderful holiday like Thanksgiving listening to those whose heart has grown cold and who hold political or religious views I can't stomach. KUDOS to those of you who do this year after year. Thanksgiving blessings to us all!
It’s hypocritical to claim that Black Lives Matter when we ignore the horrendous numbers of Black people murdered by those who are not the police.
This is not an Either/Or issue, it is a Both/And issue.
We must BOTH deal with police violence (against everyone if we truly want more support) AND we must deal with the horrific number of Black people being murdered by their own community members.
Black Americans are 7 to 8 times more likely to be murdered than white Americans: it’s 2.3 per 100,000 for whites, compared to 17.4 per 100,000 for Black people.
Aren’t the families of Black murder victims killed by civilians as devastated as those whose loved ones were murdered by cops?
Many are beginning to ask that question. Especially Black mothers.
Facts we can use to build common ground with conservatives:
CHAZ, the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle, was not as horrendous as the attack on our nation’s Capitol building, but it was definitely comparable.
And we on the Left need to admit that.
Armed men were refusing to allow police to access the area and multiple women were raped; two Black children, a 14 year old and a 16 year old, were murdered, one of them unable to get medical help on time thanks to the “armed revolutionaries” holding the area.
There were severely mentally ill homeless men walking around with multiple weapons.
This was violent chaos as horrific and violent as anything we saw on January 6th.
Can we stop pretending this was a “peaceful protest” or that some people calling themselves members of Antifa are genuinely dangerous?
Let’s admit to our conservative friends and relatives that some of their fears are warranted. Let’s start there. With facts.
I loved so many of your ideas, and I also have some ideas for surviving Thanksgiving with conservative friends and family.
Respectfully, Michael, please do not use sentences like this:
“there’s more of us than there are of them.”
The phrase "us and them" is probably responsible for every atrocity known to humankind.
Please stop using it.
Also, the following sentence could apply to conservative people as much as to progressive people:
“he was the loving one. He was the caring one. He was the one who wanted good things for everyone and not just himself or for his faction. “
Some of the most loving people I know are conservatives. That's why I know that there is no "good" side or "bad" side among voters (among politicians, they are ALL venal and untrustworthy, regardless of the rhetoric they spout -except for maybe Sanders & Warren).
Also, please rethink the following sentence concerning the slogan "Black Lives Matter":
“it doesn’t mean that white lives don’t matter, because that’s kind of a given, isn’t it, in white society?”
What evidence is there that "progressives" care as much about Tony Timpa's life as George Floyd's?
What evidence is there that progressives care as much about poor whites as they do about poor Black people? Where is the demand for reparations for those decimated by globalization and vicious trade deals?
Perhaps we could use these hypocritical discrepancies as a way to build common ground.
Also you said we should ask our conservative friends and family:
“Do you believe a woman should be paid the same as a man if she’s doing the same job?”
Why not try asking THIS question:
"Should a woman be as free to get drunk, walk down a dark street, go on a date, take a Lyft, ride the subway, or sleep safely in her own bed as a man?
Yes?
Well, women DO NOT have that freedom right now – and the anticarceral Left wants to make it even worse for us, going so far as to slander women as "carceral feminists" if they dare to ask for the same justice they demand for Black men.
Tragically, I was once a passionate supporter of Black Lives Matter, but some of that faction has been weaponizing BLM against women's right to demand that misogynist terrorists be arrested, convicted, and incarcerated for a LONG time, not for pathetic sentences measured in months.
You told one of your subscribers:
“there’s a big backlash. And the backlash comes from all different places. “
You know who's fanning that backlash?
Woke White Twitter.
Thanks to so many cowards (like the asinine "Squad") pandering to out of touch Twitter Mobs, I have changed my political affiliation from Democrat to Independent.
They don't have to rig elections to win, Michael.
The Twitter Left is doing enough on their own to help the GOP win.
Thank you greatly, Michael, for being YOU, for being concerned, for caring about the future of this country, when almost a half of its population wants to deprive the U.S. of its future. 26 years ago, our family immigrated to the United States from Russia, and my youngest son was born here. On March 28, 2020, the damn virus-19 stole my dear husband and the father of my children from us. The darkness thickened, every day of the 45th presidency filled my life with horror. When the January 6, 2020 happened, it seemed that the country would no longer recover from an irreversible disease. Today, hope still exists, thanks to the people like you. Thank you greatly, Michael, please be healthy and well-being, together with your family and like-minders.
If someone comes up with socialism = communism, tell them to look up those terms in the dictionary! We've had socialism ever since FDR's Social Security! Would they like to give up their Social Security?
Happy Thanksgiving 🍁 be humble and loving
Thank you, Michael Moore!! You hit the nail on the head. Yes!
The judge is obviously part of the white supremacist and corrupt government and policing system, that looked the other way when terrorists like Rittenhouse were attacking the anti police protesters. I think this judge was specifically put on the bench in this case to help Rittenhouse as much as possible.
We obviously don't have a fair equal justice system in this country, what we have is a racist white supremacist injustice system. There are so many white supremacists in the police department and the judicial system, it was obvious from the beginning that Rittenhouse was going to get away with murder and attempted murder, when that criminal judge Schroeder said the protesters could only be referred to as rioters or insurrectionists.
The white supremacist defense attorney picked white supremacist right wing jurors, and evidence such as Rittenhouse was under age to carry a weapon of war, brought the illegal weapon across three states, and brought that weapon into to the protest, which would make everyone have a need to be ready to try to defend your self, not knowing what the intentions of this person coming at you with an AR 15 are.
Rittenhouse came at these people he shot killed and wounded, forcing them into a defensive position, and then Rittenhouse shot them saying it was because he was frightened for his life, when it was him who forced the situation. You do not have the right to say you were in fear for your life, when you are the aggressor.
The problem is too many people in this country have an inherent problem where they live in their own reality and believe both parties work for the government and the people. They are in denial of the fact that the Republican Party works only for the corporations and billionaires who are conducting a Coup, for control of the country and turn it into a fascist, authoritarian Oligarchy.
Thank you from Vancouver Island!
I would feel like an attorney in a courtroom if at Thanksgiving dinner, I asked my skeptical relatives a series of logical questions meant to lead them into clear thinking. It wouldn't work. If they saw they were becoming cornered, they'd change the subject and bring up some stupid disingenuous stuff that the leaders who are supposed to be on our side have done in recent times. It's no use. Luckily the world is full of fun subjects that have nothing to do with politics (or else sneaky subliminal politics) so I usually channel somebody like Groucho Marx to throw everyone off their trains of thought.
Brilliant.... So appreciate these words...and the humor.
If someone comes up with socialism = communism, tell them to look up those terms in the dictionary! We've had socialism ever since FDR's Social Security! Would they like to give up their Social Security?
I appreciated this podcast. I laughed a lot at some of yours and Basel's comments about how ridiculous people's wrong-headed thinking is from the right! But I have cousins -ex-suburban Chicago police, etc. who were anti-vaxxers until their younger brother died from COVID and then the entire family got vaccinated wheras my side of the family and one of their brothers did not know how to convince them. I emailed them and just pleaded gently that they get vaccinated and was there at the funeral. Fortunately, I had trained to Chicago during that time to visit my 96 yr. old aunt and was able to attend the memorial and funeral. In homage to my cousin, Jim, I leave you with the code by which he lived by: The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds from good will and an acute sense of propriety, and whose self-control is equal to all emergencies; who does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty, the obscure man of his obscurity, or any man of his inferiority or deformity; who is himself humbled if necessity compels him to humble another; who does not flatter wealth, cringe before power, or boast of his own possessions or achievements; who speaks with frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy; whose deed follows his word; who thinks of the rights and feelings of others, rather than his own; and who appears well in any company, a man with whom honor is sacred and virtue safe. by John Walter Wayland For me this is how we need to treat our Cuckoo-for-cocoa-puffs relatives. Great podcast and so grounded with the voice of reason from you both. Thank you! May we think of our native lands that we live on and prosper from its richness! Happy, Healthy and Safe Thanksgiving! Janice
Thanksgiving is a time when I feel most alone as all of my family of origin has passed on, and I've been divorced since 1989. So more often than not it's just me and my youngest son who still lives with me that celebrate the day, as we do every other day. That being said, I get sick to my stomach even thinking about having to spend a wonderful holiday like Thanksgiving listening to those whose heart has grown cold and who hold political or religious views I can't stomach. KUDOS to those of you who do this year after year. Thanksgiving blessings to us all!
Also - Ahmaud Arbery's white supremacist killers were convicted on ALL CHARGES even though the jury was almost all white.
There is NO comparison with Mr. Arbery's murder, and the murder of the two violent predators killed by Kyle Rittenhouse.
Rosenbaum had a history of raping young boys, and I bet he targeted Rittenhouse because he looks about 14.
It was clearly a case of self defense, and neither Rosenbaum nor Huber were there to support BLM.
It’s hypocritical to claim that Black Lives Matter when we ignore the horrendous numbers of Black people murdered by those who are not the police.
This is not an Either/Or issue, it is a Both/And issue.
We must BOTH deal with police violence (against everyone if we truly want more support) AND we must deal with the horrific number of Black people being murdered by their own community members.
Black Americans are 7 to 8 times more likely to be murdered than white Americans: it’s 2.3 per 100,000 for whites, compared to 17.4 per 100,000 for Black people.
Aren’t the families of Black murder victims killed by civilians as devastated as those whose loved ones were murdered by cops?
Many are beginning to ask that question. Especially Black mothers.
Facts we can use to build common ground with conservatives:
CHAZ, the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone in Seattle, was not as horrendous as the attack on our nation’s Capitol building, but it was definitely comparable.
And we on the Left need to admit that.
Armed men were refusing to allow police to access the area and multiple women were raped; two Black children, a 14 year old and a 16 year old, were murdered, one of them unable to get medical help on time thanks to the “armed revolutionaries” holding the area.
There were severely mentally ill homeless men walking around with multiple weapons.
This was violent chaos as horrific and violent as anything we saw on January 6th.
Can we stop pretending this was a “peaceful protest” or that some people calling themselves members of Antifa are genuinely dangerous?
Let’s admit to our conservative friends and relatives that some of their fears are warranted. Let’s start there. With facts.
Perhaps they will return the favor.
HI, Michael!
I loved so many of your ideas, and I also have some ideas for surviving Thanksgiving with conservative friends and family.
Respectfully, Michael, please do not use sentences like this:
“there’s more of us than there are of them.”
The phrase "us and them" is probably responsible for every atrocity known to humankind.
Please stop using it.
Also, the following sentence could apply to conservative people as much as to progressive people:
“he was the loving one. He was the caring one. He was the one who wanted good things for everyone and not just himself or for his faction. “
Some of the most loving people I know are conservatives. That's why I know that there is no "good" side or "bad" side among voters (among politicians, they are ALL venal and untrustworthy, regardless of the rhetoric they spout -except for maybe Sanders & Warren).
Also, please rethink the following sentence concerning the slogan "Black Lives Matter":
“it doesn’t mean that white lives don’t matter, because that’s kind of a given, isn’t it, in white society?”
Is it a "given" though?
Do Homeless "white" lives matter?
Do Mentally ill "white lives" matter?
Do Disabled "white" lives matter?
Do Addicted "white" lives matter?
Do "white" lives extinguished by the police matter? See, Tony Timpa: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/02/dallas-police-officers-video-bodycam-tony-timpa
What evidence is there that "progressives" care as much about Tony Timpa's life as George Floyd's?
What evidence is there that progressives care as much about poor whites as they do about poor Black people? Where is the demand for reparations for those decimated by globalization and vicious trade deals?
Perhaps we could use these hypocritical discrepancies as a way to build common ground.
Also you said we should ask our conservative friends and family:
“Do you believe a woman should be paid the same as a man if she’s doing the same job?”
Why not try asking THIS question:
"Should a woman be as free to get drunk, walk down a dark street, go on a date, take a Lyft, ride the subway, or sleep safely in her own bed as a man?
Yes?
Well, women DO NOT have that freedom right now – and the anticarceral Left wants to make it even worse for us, going so far as to slander women as "carceral feminists" if they dare to ask for the same justice they demand for Black men.
Tragically, I was once a passionate supporter of Black Lives Matter, but some of that faction has been weaponizing BLM against women's right to demand that misogynist terrorists be arrested, convicted, and incarcerated for a LONG time, not for pathetic sentences measured in months.
You told one of your subscribers:
“there’s a big backlash. And the backlash comes from all different places. “
You know who's fanning that backlash?
Woke White Twitter.
Thanks to so many cowards (like the asinine "Squad") pandering to out of touch Twitter Mobs, I have changed my political affiliation from Democrat to Independent.
They don't have to rig elections to win, Michael.
The Twitter Left is doing enough on their own to help the GOP win.