I am so damned tired of hearing Biden castigated for leaving so many of "those who helped us" in Afghanistan behind. No one "helped us". Whether one believes, as I do, that we never should have been in Afghanistan, or not, the fact is that we weren't there to conquer the country. We were there to try to help certain Afghanis win a civil war against other Afghanis. So, those Afghanis who worked together with us were doing so to help themselves and not to help us. Unfortunately, the civil war was lost. Those Afghanis, who were unable to leave the country, must suffer the consequences that are suffered by any people who lose a civil war. Although we were under no obligation to help anyone escape, we did, in fact, help more than 100,000 of them to escape. We should take pride in that accomplishment and not condemn our leaders for not having done more.
Did you notice who is castigating President Biden? Mostly those who got us into Afghanistan. Still, don't we have a responsibility to those suffering oppression anywhere?
If Bush had accepted the Taliban's offer to turn Osama bin Laden over, we wouldn't have ended up there.
Yes. I feel like I have a moral responsibility for the welfare of the whole of Humanity. My point here, though, is that I do not believe that it is our responsibility to get Afghanis out of Afghanistan merely because they worked with us. Helping us was merely their participation in their own civil war. In essence, it was no different from the roles played by those who served in the Afghanistan military. No one has suggested that we try getting all of those who served in the Afghanistan military out of Afghanistan.
Who said: "Know the ways of man but keep to a woman's care." (?)
Indeed, "Follow The Women." The subjugation of women is largely due to man's fear of women and fear of the feminine in himself. I know this for myself, mostly from my dreams and Jung's research of the Archetypal Feminine.
The collective suppression of the feminine, even by certain women who deny women's rights, will lead to a major manifestation or eruption of feminine principles or aspects as Jung warned. The suppression of the feminine can be seen in the harm we cause others, the environment, Mother Earth et al.
Lao Tzu felt nourished by the Great Mother. Even the Deities come from a woman, same as us. (cf Joseph Campbell The Hero With A Thousand Faces)
Lao Tzu said it best: "Know the ways of man but keep to a woman's care to be in the world's channel." (ie connected to oneself) The masculine and feminine principles are in us all, no matter what our gender preference may be, trying to be in balance as with the Yin and Yang in the symbol of the Tao. The key seems to be mindful of or note what we feel and experience and understand what it might be about.
Eg
"If you see something you like in someone, be like them."(iow don't be jealous)
"If you see something you dislike, look within. In meditation, go deep. No fight. No blame. Don't take it to the hilt."(iow back off; he was speaking of his own people).
Jung confirmed from our dreams and his how we project onto others things we've yet to realize and accept about ourselves, usually when we dream of those we dislike, needing to see how we are acting like them or could.
It was Jung's wife who determined from the empirical evidence of the many people she and her husband had both worked with, that the soul of men and women is feminine.
Dreams clearly indicate this. Mythologically, we all come from a woman.
A Japanese proverb states, "Mothers should settle wars."
Thank You. Our evolution as human beings depends on this if there is to be any hope for our civilization. Our Constitution reminds us we are all created equal, which we are as human beings. Michael Moore exemplifies this, so much so that I have to confess a bit of jealousy, only because there are issues I've yet to fully resolve. Too often the worst in others brings out the worst in me. Just going to the grocery store can be a challenge. Once when my daughter was about 5, she told me she gets sick of people sometimes. I couldn't very well tell her that God does, too. The Golden Rule has always been The Golden Path, how we treat others, watching for our wounds, issues, demons and desires that are getting acted out and taken out on others. Domestic violence keeps getting worse.
I guess I did something right helping to raise my son and daughter. Now my son's kids make me take quiet time when I get upset about all that's going on.
Dear Mr.Moore~ NM is probably the m BLUEST state in the Union. Please come visit our melting pot again. So many New Mexicans welcome you, and need your voice! Plus, we have a top notch Governor in: Michelle Grishem Lujan. Pres.Biden even asked her about being his VP.
Come! I'll fix you cheese enchiladas w/ calabacitas! Love, Laura
My father was Superintendent of Chaco Canyon National Park when my brother and I were very young; I was back there a few years ago and couldn't believe how much of the ruins have been excavated since I was a kid! The Anasazi were a truly remarkable people -- there seem to be quite a number of similarities between Stonehenge and Chaco, to the degree that I would argue that Chaco is the North American Stonehenge.
We can at least go there in spirit and meditation to keep balance in ourselves with the opposing forces to keep from falling into the dark side as Michael tried to help Bush and all of us with our anger after 9/11. Tears can open the gates of Heaven and help heal wounds.
Ever see the movie Koyaanisqatsi? It's Hopi for "life out of balance." Anger will do it.
I love the letters you're reflecting on. I had no idea of the 9:03 connection. It's hard to believe where we've been and still we walk on, hoping for better government and a better life. Thanks, Michael!
I have duel Irish American citizenship and I am really wondering about this country. If it wasn’t for my kids and grandkids here I think I would bail but I feel an obligation and a duty to work for a better USA for them. Thanks for all you do to get the truth out and keep hope alive.
Many prophets saw this long before, and why we need to be the change the world needs. We can't change others, only ourselves and how we respond to what we're all up against. Plato warned of shadows of false ideas on the wall of our mind that can hold us bound if we don't seek the light of reason and truth that Michael does so well, breaking the chains of our ignorance, for those of us who want to be free, anyway.
Glad you're here Kerry. I started to apply for dual citizenship with Canada to take my kids and grandkids if things got too bad, then the pandemic hit. Was it God's way of keeping me here? My dreams of President Lincoln seem to indicate it. I trust our Democracy will prevail.
Thank You for your letters, Michael. They really help me and I'm sure many, many others with what we felt and experienced after 9/11. We are a majority because of you and those who later said the same things as you. When I met Cindy Sheehan, she said you'd told her, "Thanks for taking the heat off me." They had a price on your head, hers and everyone else, and still do. It's the plight of prophets speaking truth to power, which can set them free from the sick struggle for survival with endless wars, overpopulation and pollution from fossil fuels. Your letters are a breath of fresh air and healing, easing the collective neuroses of serious anxiety and depression.
I learned that there had already been a bud of scapegoating you ー if the expression is not accurate, making you seem unpatriotic ー about Bush's wars in the media right after 9/11 long before your Academy Award speech, from the Wall Street Journal quote of your letter out of context. It must have been uncomfortable.
Two important books I read after 9/11, "Terror Dream" by Susan Faludi and "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein, gave me an interesting perspective on tragedy and how our culture reacts to it. Essentially, rich white men survive quite nicely, because it's all about exploitation - who takes a tragedy and uses it for personal or political gain. I think we saw this post 9/11, with the manipulation of fear and anger that started two wars, and the big money opportunists descending upon New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and changing the city from being a home for working class people to a gentrified southern enclave that drove out many people of color who could no longer stand to live there.
Hi Micheal, as I read very letter I am reminded of the grief I felt for the catastrophic loss of life that day even here in the UK. It was so un imaginable as each replay went around every news cycle. I don’t know if you follow news here in the UK but yesterday just one week after the 20th anniversary I could not believe the news that could have the potential to undermine the very foundations of not to mention Trust around the world but NATO as a whole. The new deal between the US, UK AND Australia which the French allegedly only learned hours before the Blonde guy proudly announced it on national TV. I don’t know if you have any thoughts Micheal. Keep on being you sending love from the UK X
I'm sure Michael is watching, as many of us are. We are very concerned. President Eisenhower is probably stirring in his grave. France has every right to be angry. I'm sure Sir Winston Churchill wouldn't approve of the US excluding France.
Than you Stan. You raise many a thought that crossed my mind. I have been so saddened to be British as I always considered myself European, since the referendum and worried. The Blonde haired guy is just the same as your other guy! His latest cabinet proves it. Getting back to France President Macron as you rightly say is right to be furious but the worry of the ramifications around the world are a whole other story yet to unfold. I think it was the timing that hit me the hardest and the what appears to be the second underhanded way the Blonde guy has treated Europe. I guess only time will tell. Sending love Hillary
Please keep speaking out against the madness of men. My favorite book by Sir Winston Churchill, The Gathering Storm, keeps me from going mad. He wouldn't let himself hate anyone. He dealt with the worst of politicians and dictators. It was Hitler's tactic to provoke others and bring out the worst in them. Jesus simply asked why He was struck. Violence should be a last resort and in strict self-defense. It's biblical. We can't hate others, only what we may all do.
We need to find more ways of realizing and understanding what we feel and experience, for "We are the origins of all coming evil." Dreams and meditations are indispensable. The more we are aware, we're less likely to succumb to any vice, vanity or iniquity that can harm others, even ourselves.
It's not rocket science we have a good and dark side. But few care to be aware or mindful of their Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, or Ms. Hyde.
Jung once simply said to know how much good and evil we're capable of. The serpent on the tree said as much. Eve was very brave. Jesus loved St. Mary Magdalene most of all for her gnosis that He'd appear to her first. Her gospel is very revealing in realizing our "ignorance."
In Kabbalah, the Star of David is symbolic of our duality in union with God.
The Taoist Yin and Yang of Lao Tzu is very similar, if one can "Know the ways of man but keep to a woman's care." He felt nourished by the Great Mother.
The more we are aware, it will lead to awareness of who Jung called the higher Self, as well as the various elements of our psyche that can adversely compel us because of our ignorance of our personal evil, opening the door to them.
The madness of men prevail. God Bless Michael Moore.
Sir Laurens van der Post, the author of The Seed and The Sower, summed up our need not to hate anyone. We may not be able to love our enemies as Jesus said, but we can at least not hate them.
David Bowie brings this out in the most iconic scene based on this book:
The Kiss (from the movie Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence)
Hi Stan, thank you for the reply and the reference points I will look at. To learn is invaluable.
Last night over a meal we discussed the new deal and my son who is into world politics was as concerned as we are. He commented that we should all look out for the response from Japan and the picture may become more clear. Today we both couldn’t believe the front page of the Guardian lead story, a response from Japan. It struck us both as the same warmongering tone of the last pre curser to both wars. I wondered if you had seen It. I sincerely hope we are found to be wrong, but after all it would be ignorance not to accept that war and capitalism go hand in hand. Looking forward to the research and thank you again sending love Hillary
It's why we need those like Michael. Reading and hearing what he has to say keeps me grounded despite the fear, anxiety and depression.
Keeping faith in the higher powers especially helps with the madness of men so I don't go mad as them. They're lost in the darkness of their minds, as Michael has rightly surmised.
I didn't see the Guardian as I check in with The Times. I was a subscriber when Marie Colvin reported for them and will again, I'm sure.
Thank you for remembering the OK City bombing....I always feel that no one does, it makes me sad. We missed a real opportunity all those years ago to address the very real danger of domestic terror. All the men in charge sooo afraid to investigate and prosecute men that looked like them, lead us to where we are today! Nothing changed!! Never Forget 1/6/21!!
I really admire you, Michael, but why all the requests for donations? Is substack expensive capitalism? Or do you need funding for your projects? Just askin'.
No problem. It’s a fair question. We’re trying to build a self-sustaining movement across the country (and the world) via this Substack site. We are also trying to get away from being dependent on multi-billion dollar media conglomerates and studios who can exercise control and censorship over our films, series and books. If you’ve followed my work over the years, you know the struggles and sometimes brawls I’ve had to engage in just to get my work released untouched. I have grown tired of it. The pandemic has given me pause and time to think about how we can do things differently. The idea of being beholden to you, to the thousands of you who are paid members — all of you who’ve agreed to pay 16 cents a day — well, I’d rather do it that way than having to go to Disney or Murdoch or Comcast if I can avoid it. Our first month of fundraising is now over, and we’ve exceeded our goals. But most important, we now have hundreds of thousands of free subscribers who will get my newsletters and podcasts for free, always, with no paywall. Those of you who’ve pledged that $5 a month have made this happen. We haven’t quite raised the funds we need for our next film, but we at least have the freedom now to get started. And we’ll be able to keep our political and organizing work moving forward at full steam! Thank you, all of you, for that. And if we end up having to go to Disney, at least we can go there with the solid foundation you are helping us build. Or we can just save ourselves the hassle and pop over to Netflix instead! Either way, nothing’s gonna stop us from bringing you the great and subversive things we have planned in the months and years ahead…
I'm glad you support Substack, but I have to question the implication that Michael should be doing this for free. Would you? Would it make you a capitalist? Are you jealous of Michael for his success? Shouldn't he be rewarded for speaking truth to power when too many of us are remaining silent? If you were to speak out as he has and done very well, many of us would still support you.
Michael is a God-send with heart.
I subscribe to the Washington Post, New York Times and yes, that capitalist rag Wall Street Journal. The cost of a media platform is expensive that many of us are grateful to support, especially Substack, for the information we need to make the right decisions.
Michael goes even further. His commentaries are better than paying a therapist for my neurosis from all the falsehoods of capitalist war-mongers.
Don’t get me wrong, I admire MM because he deserves his $millions, if true. My concern is about substância as I also have others, whom I follow on substack and same old same old ask.
Please say more why you can't trust what Michael says? Have you fact-checked his commentaries? I wouldn't be here if he wasn't truthful. He's also the first one to warn us about Bush and capitalist war-mongers.
These "dark spirits," as President Obama later called them, can be the ruin of us if we don't speak out against the endless wars, overpopulation and pollution, especially from fossil fuels that Michael and Jeff Gibbs remind us of, keeping the alarm ringing.
This is an Earth Day gem that is unfortunately lost on those who refuse to face the facts.
As mentioned, war is a major carbon machine. Note the environmental impact in this video of floods and fires etc, with the song's lyrics in the background.
I do believe we're in deep dodo when it comes to the environment, and we need to make fixing that our number one priority . The thing Moore badmouths and gets wrong in that movie is the bio-fuel ethanol. He has bought into all the BS that has been put out there by big oil. I have studied hard and have spoke to many real experts on this subject. I would love to talk to Moore himself and give him a list of people and places to go and get educated. After watching that movie, I wondered, Michael, did you sell out to big oil?
If Michael sold out to big oil, why has the industry and conservatives put a price on his head? Remember what Bush said to him when he was governor of Texas?
I fail to see any bs in this wonderful film. There's no question some of the assertions and implications are debatable, but who else do you know of who is monitoring the renewable energy corporations? They are attacking him as much as big oil and conservatives are.
The point is, renewable energy has collateral damage on its hands that needs to be addressed. Trial and Error has its place, but at the cost of the environment?
Research and Development is in need of Research and Development.
Please know Mr. Stoltz, I appreciate your saying something. The mark of a good film, especially a documentary, is to make us think and talk about what is going on and our role in all this.
As it is, biofuels do reduce pollution, but the ground-level ozone effect can't be ignored, as big oil rightly points out, as does Michael. This is where we need to find a better solution. Like most others, I look to our scientists.
fyi I walk, cycle, run, mass transport, car pool and drive my electric car prn, while recycling everything like my grandfather and his son, my dad, who suffered the worst of the depression like many others. Most of my clothes are 10 years and older. I could be a consumer out of control but that's just my insecurity.
I had a Jeep Cherokee for 20 years that smelled of dogs, even after they passed away. I still dream about that Jeep even tho I knew I needed to go electric despite the environmental fallout that Michael also mentioned.
Back in a past life we had a 2-door Jeep Cherokee -- I loved that truck (even when I had to speed up on the interstate so I could kick it into 4-wheel-drive -- when it kicked in I was driving down the lane backwards 😱😱, but I didn't run into anyone and arrived safely at my destination)! Now we have a Honda Element 4WD (13 years old, but I have a good mechanic and can't imagine ever getting rid of my female menopause vehicle 😜)!
I can appreciate what Yale Climate Connection says here, as well as all others. But can the environmental impact of renewable energy be ignored? Michael and Jeff Gibbs make a valid point. Again, there's a need for solutions, especially how we go about those solutions.
This is from the United Nations Energy Council:
"Use of renewable energy undoubtedly contributes to building a more sustainable future of our planet. It is also one of the key actions towards reaching diverse and ambitious goals set by the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. However, exploitation of renewable energy resources may also lead to certain environmental problems or risks regarding human health. Environmental assessments, including Strategic Environmental Assessment (SEA) and Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA), can be seen as tools which help to maximize environmental and social benefits resulting from renewable energy development, while avoiding or minimizing potential adverse effects."
This sums up what Michael and Jeff are getting at. And yet, it does seem that the renewable energy industry is taking this as undue criticism, as if they called them a bad name and should stop all together.
Should they? I don't think so. Checks and Balances help us to do the best we can, better than we might be. It takes oversight in this case of which there isn't enough of.
Just so you know, or fyi, I'm not critical of anyone for the vehicle they drive. I got a lot of flak for my Jeep. And before that, one person called my AMC station wagon "a refugee from a demolition derby." I didn't care. I loved that car. So did my kids. That's what matters.
Did you know that 88% of all the corn that's grown is for animal feed, and almost all of that is for cattle? Do you know that cattle get sick when the eat corn? Did you know that the reason there is antibodies and other drugs in our meat is because cattle are fed corn. Do you know that the part of the corn that makes them sick is the starch. Did you know that when you make ethanol from corn it uses the starch and leaves distillers grain which is a healthy feed stock for cattle. So ethanol is the byproduct of making healthy feed for cattle.
I recommend you read a book called Alcohol Can be a Gas. The author has a amazing example of what could be done with producing ethanol in Watsonville CA. https://www.blumedistillation.com/
There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything. We don't need to be using all those pesticides and chemicals to grow any of our crops. But until people stop buying that stuff, they're going to keep using it. Even though you don't eat meat, most people do. All the corn that's grown for feed is going to be grown anyway, so why not make fuel with it too. If ethanol ever is allowed to reach it's full potential, we'll be making it from many other things, that will help the environment. Ethanol can be made from almost any bio-mass.
The only way we're going to get there is to support it. As I said, we need to call out people like Moore who spread misinformation.
Yes it does. It also dispels many of the myths about it's environmental impact.
"I would but I already know the benefits of ethanol", says a lot. If you ever want to get educated on what could be with ethanol, book a tour at Blume Distillation.
Hi Dave I saw your comment and realised I had to see the film for myself. I watched it yesterday which was an incredibly hard watch on a topic that frankly the team need applauding for having the courage to make. I also admit it brought me to tears so I guess that it is testament to the production and its raw content that is hard to face. It compounded a lot of my beliefs that we as humans maybe in our day to day lives don’t want to face that our consumption cannot be rolled back sufficiently to save the planet. Today I met a complete stranger from NZ who had not seen the film but in conversation came out with the same conclusion quite frankly as the film. I was so sorry to read how you feel and I hope in this response I have understood some of the reasons you may feel that way. Sending love Hillary
I come here occasionally to discuss issues but have been lambasted for not worshipping Michael Moore and belonging to his cult of personality. I'm happy you're here. Just ignore the self righteousness and celebrity worship.
Thanks. I joined this forum to hopefully get a conversation going with Moore himself about how wrong that movie is. Has anybody heard from Moore himself or does he just set back and collect the money and praise? I just quit my.
Generally, no, although he liked one of my comments once. I just want to break though this mentality where people have become blind followers of people who say what they want to hear. i got my butt kicked by a guy a few days ago because I said this seems like a cult of personality. I was belittled and insulted for it. I also found it offensive that he toots his own horn but doesn't respond to reader comments. Talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
I've found that most people need to have somebody to follow, whether it's donald trump, Michael Moore or whoever. They need to be led. They're looking for somebody to tell them that they are okay. If you question that person that they've chosen as their leader, you're going to catch hell, as you did. All those white supremacists have always been here. They've been lurking under the muck waiting for a donald trump to come along to make it okay for them to slither up out of the muck and show their faces.
Hi Dave I just responded to your original point re Planet of the Humans and at that point had not read the whole thread. I joined the group as yes I do admire Micheal and shared his opinions about both wars and much much more. However I am also of the belief that we should praise where it is due, critique, disagree,agree etc as that to me is fundamental to evolving in this ever disingenuous world with dangerous mis information daily. The last thing I want from this experience is to feel that anyone feels bullied or categorised or not able to exercise reasonable free speech. It is my first subscription to any group and therefore I am the first to acknowledge my in experience in what that entails. Hillary
I'm a stubborn cuss, a hardcore skeptic and hopefully, not a follower. In my life and travels I have seen how people seem to want to be led, and that's a dangerous thing when the leader embodies all of your own grievances and dares to be angry - it's how a billionaire elitist like Trump managed to convince millions of working class Americans that "he alone could fix it." After they become devotees, they allow the leader to do their thinking because he appears to be so good at it. I lived in Egypt when I saw Sisi stage his coup and take over the country in 2014. Everybody loved him, and now he is the most oppressive dictator in Egyptian history. I returned to the US in late 2016 and spent the Trump presidency in apoplexy.
As an old woman from a smart LA family, now stuck in Oklahoma for the last 30 years, I can testify most Americans do not recognize satire when they see it. That is a little harder than getting it once it's been explained, but that is the definition of understanding satire. I tried to explain satire to high school seniors for 15 years. An annual handful laughed quietly, though a little shocked by one of the easiest examples, Swift's "A Modest Proposal". But honestly, most were just shocked without understanding. Sigh.
Loyo, my friend, I'll be glad to reimburse you for being part. Your voice and what you say is important. God Bless Michael, for helping us immensely and giving us a chance to comment.
Don't you want to help promote his work? Our Democracy of Liberty, Justice and Equality for All is at stake with White Nationalists, Neo-Nazis and Confederates, the worst of fascists.
Capitalist war-mongers fuel it, as Michael makes clear here.
We need to pull together and speak truth to power like Michael. He is a prophet, like Micaiah, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Plato and lives the meaning of how we need to be Christians.
It is about love and watching for the evil that can come out of us and others.
(Matthew 15:19)
The mythologist Joseph Campbell reminds us the Golden Rule has always been The Golden Path to the Deities and Heaven, treating others as we'd want to be, amending when we fail. Jung confirmed it. Dreams don't lie.
The best leadership is by example that Michael exemplifies.
Michael was the only one warning us about Bush, giving us the facts in the face of all Bush's lies, deceit and treachery. Bush lied. Millions died. He is responsible for failing to respond to warnings about terrorists planning to attack us. This is gross negligence resulting in death. Millions of deaths. Even the famed prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book: The Prosecution of George W Bush for Murder.
It is beyond reasonable doubt what we're up against.
Stan, Michael Moore is not a prophet. That's the wording of a sycophant for his master. He is also not a leader. Here we are again, dealing with a cult of personality.
Sorry to leave such a long reply, but this is serious stuff, Marycat.
Our Democracy is threatened.
I could've just said that as Michael questions the leaders and authorities of our time as prophets have, he's always been responsive to those who question him, unlike those he's questioned. His comments here are proof.
How does this make him a cult personality?
I've yet to meet, read or hear of anyone being submissive to Michael. No blind sheep here. He wouldn't allow for it. It'd contradict our Democracy.
Again, more of us need to be speaking out like him.
The facts and evidence are overwhelmingly in his favor.
I neglected to mention the role of history. Pentagon Chief of Staff, General Mark Milley, accurately assessed the terrorist white threat we're up against:
That's how serious this is. Over 60 million people died, mostly civilians.
Trump is following Hitler's playbook of lies and provoking fear and violence.
Will fascists, neo-nazis and confederates need to be reminded why they lost?
Will you? The Charlottesville Chant: "Jews will not replace us."
By their own words are they condemned. And you'd have us be silent?
Fortunately, we are a majority for Liberty, Justice and Equality for All.
But if you see us as sycophants for Michael or President Biden, Vice-President Kamala Harris, General Milley or any of our Democratic leaders who also speak out as Michael has, I have to question why you're here. The facts are against you.
Where did you get this idea that he's a cult personality and we're sycophants?
Michael is one of many who are leading the charge for our Democracy.
And in fact, he was the only one who warned us about Bush.
Would you be so kind as to substantiate your claims? I have to question what spirit moves you? What dreams have you had about Michael or any of us?
You are perfectly free to draw your own conclusions about Michael and the millions of us who greatly appreciate what he's done and continues to do in speaking truth to power. But haven't prophets always done this?
More importantly, Michael is living the change we need to be, caring for one another. How else to have a Democracy of Liberty, Justice and Equality for All?
And you?
Have you read Micaiah 1 Kings 22, the Tao Te Ching of Lao Tzu, or Buddha, warning us to not wage war and fight amongst ourselves? What did Jesus say about what would make for our peace? Let me know if you need the passage.
Do you even read the bible? What do you read?
But please read the above. Can you see the parallels with Michael?
Or are you a GOP Trump supporter of the white nationalist agenda?
How many times has Trump lied? Please watch Fahrenheit 11/9.
I would subscribe to your view, but there's nothing you 've said that will make this world a better place, especially when you wrongly criticize Michael and those of us who support him. Please substantiate your claims as Michael has. If he or any of us have spoken falsely, you need to point out how we have.
As it is, the evidence is overwhelmingly in Michael's favor of our Democracy.
From an individuation standpoint, please study your psyche with the help of your dreams. I suspect you are in denial about the state of things. Gaslighting can be dangerous, not just for adolescents lighting up their flatulence. Funny name for denial. Jung warned long ago about compartmentalization.
Plato saw this long before, how shadows of false ideas on the wall of our mind can hold us bound if we fail to seek the light of reason to free us of them. Michael has given us "the facts and nothing but the facts, maam."
Who said, "You don't wage war on ideology." (?)
The biblical, mythical and empirical parallels of what prophets have said to the leaders of their day is very similar to what Michael has said. More of us need to.
Please join us.
If anyone calls you a sycophant, remind them of Micaiah, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Plato et al, as I have with you. Michael is more Christian than those who claim to be.
Pilate could see the Sanhedrin was jealous of Jesus. Are you jealous of Michael?
Please study your psyche more closely to see where you get this idea that he's a cult personality and we're a bunch of sycophants. It is despite the evidence.
As Micaiah warned, the spirit that moves you, will claim you. Dreams don't lie.
Please join us.
Please don't bother responding until you've read the above passages I'd suggested and answer my questions. I wonder if you are a GOP Republican.
Indeed, what spirit moves you? You need to reconcile this with the Lord.
Thank you Stan for providing in an eloquent way a response to my attempt to encourage discussion. It was merely an attempt in good faith to allow people to enjoy posting their personal feelings, to openly discuss and ultimately work towards further learning from comments in a common cause on a platform Micheal has created, for those of us that have followed and supported his courageous career.
Of course there will be descent of opinions but personal attacks, are surely not part of any equation, especially without any substantive discussion from the commenter.
Thank you for providing enlightening comments and view points that can be researched. Hillary
"Nothing good comes from violence, nothing ever will."
The soldier, scholar, translator and commentator on the Jerusalem Bible, JRR Tolkien, wrote stories for his children about our human condition. He knew from the Bible and his experiences of war about the good and evil in us. Why spend a 100 G's for a Master of Divinity when for $10 bucks, one can get a good, used JB?
Smeagol was a good hobbit until he was corrupted by the Ring of Power, same as any of us for any object of desire or ideology.
Bilbo nearly succumbed, if not for Gandalf.
Frodo was able to return the ring only because of Gollum.
I was born into a so called first generation ‘ middle class’ family, where my father and his two siblings strived to eliminate their working class roots. In observing this I was unable to understand what I would now know to be cognitive dissonance.
I was one of two children who was born to question and witnessed first hand how the expectations of me were higher than my more con formative sibling. I always felt the need to help the under dog and was so very often castigated for this as a child. It has followed me throughout my life.
I also require me time to meditate and ground myself,especially in these times where there is so much in justice, misinformation and I guess my struggles with misinformation and how it is spreading across the world and just how it influences people in such a way, when there is a vast array of sources in which to source facts.
I have recently been reminded by your postings of the interviews Micheal gave surrounding ‘where to invade next’, where he was asked why he didn’t include the UK, he responded by stating that it was deliberate due to the fact that the UK was going the way of the US.Much to the surprise visibly on display of the UK press.
How right he was once again, the right wing press, politicians etc milking fear, stoking division and of course the enemy of all our problems Europe! Oh and of course the immigrants.
We now have our own version of your other guy who with his cronies and rich donors ripping off YES the working class whilst they believe their best interests are being served. Quietly selling off our NHS, cutting rights and all in the name of “we’ve got back our sovereignty “
How I wish you could have cut through Micheal as its so depressive to watch.
The playbook of these people on the right is as you quite rightly state is straight out of the same one used as the Nazi’s. I have read sections of MEIN kAMF and only sections as its so spine chilling. The ease at which man could be manipulated into doing the un imaginable. The rest of which of course is history and the atrocities that followed.
Apologies for the long reply and in closing I forgot to mention I don’t subscribe to the Guardian even though its our only commonly known independent news outlet . I downloaded the free APP which I don’t know if you can get in the US.
We can thank Michael Moore for giving us a chance to engage in global discussion about life as we experience it, our future, our children's and theirs. This is important as his films show. With proper dialogue, we can work together in making this world a better place for everyone.
We are in need of global group therapy.
The political and corporate capitalist agenda is destroying our planet and spirit as human beings, as Michael clearly shows. He gives us excellent examples of countries who restrict military spending by investing in the people, caring for their needs.
Some 2,500 years ago, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Confucius and others, wrote of caring for the people. In so doing, their spirit is cared for. The I Ching, or Book of Changes, simply advises rulers to, "fill bellies." Lao Tzu says to "hide weapons of war."
Violence should be a last resort in strict self-defense. It's also biblical. Jesus and others refused worldly power to serve that we might also.
The great historian Thomas Cahill believes it will take those like St. Mother Teresa if there's any hope for our civilization.
See any similarity with Michael?
He was once a seminarian to be a priest.
His spirit is evident. It's a universal spirit we can share.
And yet, the power struggle to dominate others goes on."
The rise of fascism around the world is rearing its ugly head.
John Steinbeck in his epic The Moon is Down, tells the story of the military occupation of a small town in Northern Europe by the army of an unnamed nation at war with England and Russia (much like the occupation of Norway by the Germans during World War II). In one scene, a soldier tells his lunatic c o, commanding officer:
"The people don't like to be conquered, sir."
Xenophobic, racial pride is the driving force that Stanley Kubrick brought out in his great movie, Dr. Strangelove. In this scene, he portrays Dr. Strangelove, wonderfully played by Peter Sellers, as a man at odds with himself, which we all are, which really is the cause of dissension, if we can see the various opposing forces that can take hold or possess as Jung described. Plato saw long before, shadows of false ideas that possess. It is mostly our shadowy, fearful, demonic ego that is the cause of dissension. Too often, violence results and can lead to global annihilation as Stanley Kubrick warns.
There's numerous scenes that Michael shows of trying to talk to prominent, powerful people who refuse to talk with him, bound by the darkness of their minds and capitalist agenda. He's asked the questions that need to be answered. It's evident that too many leaders are bound by their ideology and worldly power that Jesus refused..
In his farewell address, President Washington warned of corporate self-interest groups and foreign interference, which we've seen in the last two elections with more charges against Russian operatives.
This subversion of the will of the people and a government of the people, by the people and for the people will perish, as President Lincoln also warned.
Jimi Hendrix said it best:
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, there will be peace." He learned it from Jesus, same as Michael.
I have to say I am finding it hard to understand why this is turning into terms of cult of personality when people are expressing their freedom of speech. There are many interpretations falling well under the definitions of the words used. In my opinion Micheal could be described in those terms quite legitimately, but as I said before your freedom to interpret is valid to you, but if you truly find it that upsetting is the reality that this site is going to contain complimentary comments about Micheal but not in anyway justify the final sentence of the comment you made?
I cannot make any sense of your comment and I have read it 4 times. I don't know what you're asking me. I don't think I have to justify my opinion of either Moore or his films. I am interested in discussing issues, not whether or not he is a prophet. I find it alarming that most commenters come here to tell him what a great guy he is.
I apologise for any confusion. I don’t understand why you find it alarming that people want to express their genuine opinions including those about Micheal. If you don’t agree then surely that is your entitlement too. Does that warrant the use of cult of personality or sycophant? Shouldn’t it just be accepted that we can all agree to disagree and discuss issues as well.
To make try and give an example of what I was saying the word Leader. Is the person of a company the leader by appointment or because they actually lead and isn’t that at the opinion of all involved, who I bet would not unanimously agree on that, depending on a whole array of issues.
I guess what I am saying is that just as you quite rightly say you don’t have to justify your position then I am suggesting that maybe that requires reciprocal actions of yourself and non categorisation of anyone else for their position.
In conclusion it is surely a reality that its Micheal’s site and therefore by virtue weighted towards him especially as a member and discussion will be around his work and what I am asking is why because someone really likes his work and supports his view points does it put them in a cult of personality rather than just a person who doesn’t share your view point.
I look forward to seeing your posts on issues in the future and discussions thereafter.
Please do not comment on what I write. I do not need to justify what I write to anyone here or elsewhere. Your word salads are too annoying to attempt to decipher, and for someone who claims to enjoy "discussion," you seem to actually relish personal criticism of your fellow commenters.
I am so damned tired of hearing Biden castigated for leaving so many of "those who helped us" in Afghanistan behind. No one "helped us". Whether one believes, as I do, that we never should have been in Afghanistan, or not, the fact is that we weren't there to conquer the country. We were there to try to help certain Afghanis win a civil war against other Afghanis. So, those Afghanis who worked together with us were doing so to help themselves and not to help us. Unfortunately, the civil war was lost. Those Afghanis, who were unable to leave the country, must suffer the consequences that are suffered by any people who lose a civil war. Although we were under no obligation to help anyone escape, we did, in fact, help more than 100,000 of them to escape. We should take pride in that accomplishment and not condemn our leaders for not having done more.
Did you notice who is castigating President Biden? Mostly those who got us into Afghanistan. Still, don't we have a responsibility to those suffering oppression anywhere?
If Bush had accepted the Taliban's offer to turn Osama bin Laden over, we wouldn't have ended up there.
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/15/world/nation-challenged-president-president-rejects-offer-taliban-for-negotiations.html
Yes. I feel like I have a moral responsibility for the welfare of the whole of Humanity. My point here, though, is that I do not believe that it is our responsibility to get Afghanis out of Afghanistan merely because they worked with us. Helping us was merely their participation in their own civil war. In essence, it was no different from the roles played by those who served in the Afghanistan military. No one has suggested that we try getting all of those who served in the Afghanistan military out of Afghanistan.
Who said: "Know the ways of man but keep to a woman's care." (?)
Indeed, "Follow The Women." The subjugation of women is largely due to man's fear of women and fear of the feminine in himself. I know this for myself, mostly from my dreams and Jung's research of the Archetypal Feminine.
The collective suppression of the feminine, even by certain women who deny women's rights, will lead to a major manifestation or eruption of feminine principles or aspects as Jung warned. The suppression of the feminine can be seen in the harm we cause others, the environment, Mother Earth et al.
Caring about others, our environment is feminine.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/790891.Aspects_of_the_Feminine
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30858.When_God_Was_a_Woman
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/775360.The_Moon_and_the_Virgin
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/784579.Return_of_the_Goddess
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/67896.Tao_Te_Ching
Lao Tzu felt nourished by the Great Mother. Even the Deities come from a woman, same as us. (cf Joseph Campbell The Hero With A Thousand Faces)
Lao Tzu said it best: "Know the ways of man but keep to a woman's care to be in the world's channel." (ie connected to oneself) The masculine and feminine principles are in us all, no matter what our gender preference may be, trying to be in balance as with the Yin and Yang in the symbol of the Tao. The key seems to be mindful of or note what we feel and experience and understand what it might be about.
Eg
"If you see something you like in someone, be like them."(iow don't be jealous)
"If you see something you dislike, look within. In meditation, go deep. No fight. No blame. Don't take it to the hilt."(iow back off; he was speaking of his own people).
Jung confirmed from our dreams and his how we project onto others things we've yet to realize and accept about ourselves, usually when we dream of those we dislike, needing to see how we are acting like them or could.
It was Jung's wife who determined from the empirical evidence of the many people she and her husband had both worked with, that the soul of men and women is feminine.
Dreams clearly indicate this. Mythologically, we all come from a woman.
A Japanese proverb states, "Mothers should settle wars."
Indeed, "Follow The Women."
Thank You. Our evolution as human beings depends on this if there is to be any hope for our civilization. Our Constitution reminds us we are all created equal, which we are as human beings. Michael Moore exemplifies this, so much so that I have to confess a bit of jealousy, only because there are issues I've yet to fully resolve. Too often the worst in others brings out the worst in me. Just going to the grocery store can be a challenge. Once when my daughter was about 5, she told me she gets sick of people sometimes. I couldn't very well tell her that God does, too. The Golden Rule has always been The Golden Path, how we treat others, watching for our wounds, issues, demons and desires that are getting acted out and taken out on others. Domestic violence keeps getting worse.
I guess I did something right helping to raise my son and daughter. Now my son's kids make me take quiet time when I get upset about all that's going on.
Dear Mr.Moore~ NM is probably the m BLUEST state in the Union. Please come visit our melting pot again. So many New Mexicans welcome you, and need your voice! Plus, we have a top notch Governor in: Michelle Grishem Lujan. Pres.Biden even asked her about being his VP.
Come! I'll fix you cheese enchiladas w/ calabacitas! Love, Laura
I love New Mexico and look forward to returning! The New Mexico of 20 years ago is not the New Mexico of today. I’ll look forward to those enchiladas!
You have an open invite!
My father was Superintendent of Chaco Canyon National Park when my brother and I were very young; I was back there a few years ago and couldn't believe how much of the ruins have been excavated since I was a kid! The Anasazi were a truly remarkable people -- there seem to be quite a number of similarities between Stonehenge and Chaco, to the degree that I would argue that Chaco is the North American Stonehenge.
YES!
We can at least go there in spirit and meditation to keep balance in ourselves with the opposing forces to keep from falling into the dark side as Michael tried to help Bush and all of us with our anger after 9/11. Tears can open the gates of Heaven and help heal wounds.
Ever see the movie Koyaanisqatsi? It's Hopi for "life out of balance." Anger will do it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koyaanisqatsi
Lovely ❤
I love the letters you're reflecting on. I had no idea of the 9:03 connection. It's hard to believe where we've been and still we walk on, hoping for better government and a better life. Thanks, Michael!
I have duel Irish American citizenship and I am really wondering about this country. If it wasn’t for my kids and grandkids here I think I would bail but I feel an obligation and a duty to work for a better USA for them. Thanks for all you do to get the truth out and keep hope alive.
I lived in the middle east for years. I came to understand there is no utopia on this earth. Things are rotten all over.
Many prophets saw this long before, and why we need to be the change the world needs. We can't change others, only ourselves and how we respond to what we're all up against. Plato warned of shadows of false ideas on the wall of our mind that can hold us bound if we don't seek the light of reason and truth that Michael does so well, breaking the chains of our ignorance, for those of us who want to be free, anyway.
Glad you're here Kerry. I started to apply for dual citizenship with Canada to take my kids and grandkids if things got too bad, then the pandemic hit. Was it God's way of keeping me here? My dreams of President Lincoln seem to indicate it. I trust our Democracy will prevail.
Thank You for your letters, Michael. They really help me and I'm sure many, many others with what we felt and experienced after 9/11. We are a majority because of you and those who later said the same things as you. When I met Cindy Sheehan, she said you'd told her, "Thanks for taking the heat off me." They had a price on your head, hers and everyone else, and still do. It's the plight of prophets speaking truth to power, which can set them free from the sick struggle for survival with endless wars, overpopulation and pollution from fossil fuels. Your letters are a breath of fresh air and healing, easing the collective neuroses of serious anxiety and depression.
How much do I owe ya, doc?
I learned that there had already been a bud of scapegoating you ー if the expression is not accurate, making you seem unpatriotic ー about Bush's wars in the media right after 9/11 long before your Academy Award speech, from the Wall Street Journal quote of your letter out of context. It must have been uncomfortable.
Hitler did the same thing, denouncing anyone who questioned him, like Trump.
Trump Warned Michael Moore Not to Make a Film About Him in 1998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXEpnkbL3gw
(5:52)
Movie trailer about Trump: Fahrenheit 11/9:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7vq_M-hJfQ
(1:46)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose
Two important books I read after 9/11, "Terror Dream" by Susan Faludi and "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein, gave me an interesting perspective on tragedy and how our culture reacts to it. Essentially, rich white men survive quite nicely, because it's all about exploitation - who takes a tragedy and uses it for personal or political gain. I think we saw this post 9/11, with the manipulation of fear and anger that started two wars, and the big money opportunists descending upon New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and changing the city from being a home for working class people to a gentrified southern enclave that drove out many people of color who could no longer stand to live there.
Hi Micheal, as I read very letter I am reminded of the grief I felt for the catastrophic loss of life that day even here in the UK. It was so un imaginable as each replay went around every news cycle. I don’t know if you follow news here in the UK but yesterday just one week after the 20th anniversary I could not believe the news that could have the potential to undermine the very foundations of not to mention Trust around the world but NATO as a whole. The new deal between the US, UK AND Australia which the French allegedly only learned hours before the Blonde guy proudly announced it on national TV. I don’t know if you have any thoughts Micheal. Keep on being you sending love from the UK X
I'm sure Michael is watching, as many of us are. We are very concerned. President Eisenhower is probably stirring in his grave. France has every right to be angry. I'm sure Sir Winston Churchill wouldn't approve of the US excluding France.
Than you Stan. You raise many a thought that crossed my mind. I have been so saddened to be British as I always considered myself European, since the referendum and worried. The Blonde haired guy is just the same as your other guy! His latest cabinet proves it. Getting back to France President Macron as you rightly say is right to be furious but the worry of the ramifications around the world are a whole other story yet to unfold. I think it was the timing that hit me the hardest and the what appears to be the second underhanded way the Blonde guy has treated Europe. I guess only time will tell. Sending love Hillary
Please keep speaking out against the madness of men. My favorite book by Sir Winston Churchill, The Gathering Storm, keeps me from going mad. He wouldn't let himself hate anyone. He dealt with the worst of politicians and dictators. It was Hitler's tactic to provoke others and bring out the worst in them. Jesus simply asked why He was struck. Violence should be a last resort and in strict self-defense. It's biblical. We can't hate others, only what we may all do.
Jung confirmed it.
This is from the BBC interview with Jung 1959:
We Need More Psychology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udc9FGGt9lo
(3:13)
We need to find more ways of realizing and understanding what we feel and experience, for "We are the origins of all coming evil." Dreams and meditations are indispensable. The more we are aware, we're less likely to succumb to any vice, vanity or iniquity that can harm others, even ourselves.
It's not rocket science we have a good and dark side. But few care to be aware or mindful of their Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, or Ms. Hyde.
Jung once simply said to know how much good and evil we're capable of. The serpent on the tree said as much. Eve was very brave. Jesus loved St. Mary Magdalene most of all for her gnosis that He'd appear to her first. Her gospel is very revealing in realizing our "ignorance."
In Kabbalah, the Star of David is symbolic of our duality in union with God.
The Taoist Yin and Yang of Lao Tzu is very similar, if one can "Know the ways of man but keep to a woman's care." He felt nourished by the Great Mother.
The more we are aware, it will lead to awareness of who Jung called the higher Self, as well as the various elements of our psyche that can adversely compel us because of our ignorance of our personal evil, opening the door to them.
The madness of men prevail. God Bless Michael Moore.
I Know God Exists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ25Ai__FYU
(0:28)
Full interview of Jung by John Freeman and the BBC crew:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBYEFX2dqpM&t=2s
(39:27)
Sir Laurens van der Post, the author of The Seed and The Sower, summed up our need not to hate anyone. We may not be able to love our enemies as Jesus said, but we can at least not hate them.
David Bowie brings this out in the most iconic scene based on this book:
The Kiss (from the movie Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXK6FrhNTos
(1:28)
Major Jack Celliers looks up to Heaven as if guided by a divine light.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merry_Christmas,_Mr._Lawrence
It is about love and watching for what gets in the way.
Someday we'll return to The Eternal Dream.
Hi Stan, thank you for the reply and the reference points I will look at. To learn is invaluable.
Last night over a meal we discussed the new deal and my son who is into world politics was as concerned as we are. He commented that we should all look out for the response from Japan and the picture may become more clear. Today we both couldn’t believe the front page of the Guardian lead story, a response from Japan. It struck us both as the same warmongering tone of the last pre curser to both wars. I wondered if you had seen It. I sincerely hope we are found to be wrong, but after all it would be ignorance not to accept that war and capitalism go hand in hand. Looking forward to the research and thank you again sending love Hillary
It's why we need those like Michael. Reading and hearing what he has to say keeps me grounded despite the fear, anxiety and depression.
Keeping faith in the higher powers especially helps with the madness of men so I don't go mad as them. They're lost in the darkness of their minds, as Michael has rightly surmised.
I didn't see the Guardian as I check in with The Times. I was a subscriber when Marie Colvin reported for them and will again, I'm sure.
Best Always
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-submarine-deal-is-a-real-downer-for-china-x6t89v022
New member from Florida fighting really hard to rid this state of its tyrannical leadership. I love your reflective letters.
New member from Grand Rapids, Mi. Keep your good work
Thank you for remembering the OK City bombing....I always feel that no one does, it makes me sad. We missed a real opportunity all those years ago to address the very real danger of domestic terror. All the men in charge sooo afraid to investigate and prosecute men that looked like them, lead us to where we are today! Nothing changed!! Never Forget 1/6/21!!
I really admire you, Michael, but why all the requests for donations? Is substack expensive capitalism? Or do you need funding for your projects? Just askin'.
No problem. It’s a fair question. We’re trying to build a self-sustaining movement across the country (and the world) via this Substack site. We are also trying to get away from being dependent on multi-billion dollar media conglomerates and studios who can exercise control and censorship over our films, series and books. If you’ve followed my work over the years, you know the struggles and sometimes brawls I’ve had to engage in just to get my work released untouched. I have grown tired of it. The pandemic has given me pause and time to think about how we can do things differently. The idea of being beholden to you, to the thousands of you who are paid members — all of you who’ve agreed to pay 16 cents a day — well, I’d rather do it that way than having to go to Disney or Murdoch or Comcast if I can avoid it. Our first month of fundraising is now over, and we’ve exceeded our goals. But most important, we now have hundreds of thousands of free subscribers who will get my newsletters and podcasts for free, always, with no paywall. Those of you who’ve pledged that $5 a month have made this happen. We haven’t quite raised the funds we need for our next film, but we at least have the freedom now to get started. And we’ll be able to keep our political and organizing work moving forward at full steam! Thank you, all of you, for that. And if we end up having to go to Disney, at least we can go there with the solid foundation you are helping us build. Or we can just save ourselves the hassle and pop over to Netflix instead! Either way, nothing’s gonna stop us from bringing you the great and subversive things we have planned in the months and years ahead…
Thank you for your reply. I’ll support you and your team.
I support substack, but Michael Moore needs donations like a hole in the head. He's a millionaire many times over.
I'm glad you support Substack, but I have to question the implication that Michael should be doing this for free. Would you? Would it make you a capitalist? Are you jealous of Michael for his success? Shouldn't he be rewarded for speaking truth to power when too many of us are remaining silent? If you were to speak out as he has and done very well, many of us would still support you.
Michael is a God-send with heart.
I subscribe to the Washington Post, New York Times and yes, that capitalist rag Wall Street Journal. The cost of a media platform is expensive that many of us are grateful to support, especially Substack, for the information we need to make the right decisions.
Michael goes even further. His commentaries are better than paying a therapist for my neurosis from all the falsehoods of capitalist war-mongers.
Thanks, Stan. Soothes my neurosis as well.
Don’t get me wrong, I admire MM because he deserves his $millions, if true. My concern is about substância as I also have others, whom I follow on substack and same old same old ask.
Thanks, Frank. See my reply above.
After seeing your film Planet of the Humans, I no longer feel I can trust anything you say.
Please say more why you can't trust what Michael says? Have you fact-checked his commentaries? I wouldn't be here if he wasn't truthful. He's also the first one to warn us about Bush and capitalist war-mongers.
These "dark spirits," as President Obama later called them, can be the ruin of us if we don't speak out against the endless wars, overpopulation and pollution, especially from fossil fuels that Michael and Jeff Gibbs remind us of, keeping the alarm ringing.
https://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-never-thought-dark-172326004.html
FYI Planet of the Humans is based on scientific evidence, but please determine that for yourself. https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
This is an Earth Day gem that is unfortunately lost on those who refuse to face the facts.
As mentioned, war is a major carbon machine. Note the environmental impact in this video of floods and fires etc, with the song's lyrics in the background.
"Lost in a lost world."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80nUhHofw0U
(4:40)
"And you tell me, you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfZVu0alU0I
(3:40)
We were warned long ago about the path of extinction we're on that Planet of the Humans reminds us of.
I do believe we're in deep dodo when it comes to the environment, and we need to make fixing that our number one priority . The thing Moore badmouths and gets wrong in that movie is the bio-fuel ethanol. He has bought into all the BS that has been put out there by big oil. I have studied hard and have spoke to many real experts on this subject. I would love to talk to Moore himself and give him a list of people and places to go and get educated. After watching that movie, I wondered, Michael, did you sell out to big oil?
If Michael sold out to big oil, why has the industry and conservatives put a price on his head? Remember what Bush said to him when he was governor of Texas?
I fail to see any bs in this wonderful film. There's no question some of the assertions and implications are debatable, but who else do you know of who is monitoring the renewable energy corporations? They are attacking him as much as big oil and conservatives are.
The point is, renewable energy has collateral damage on its hands that needs to be addressed. Trial and Error has its place, but at the cost of the environment?
Research and Development is in need of Research and Development.
Please know Mr. Stoltz, I appreciate your saying something. The mark of a good film, especially a documentary, is to make us think and talk about what is going on and our role in all this.
As it is, biofuels do reduce pollution, but the ground-level ozone effect can't be ignored, as big oil rightly points out, as does Michael. This is where we need to find a better solution. Like most others, I look to our scientists.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/biofuels/ethanol-and-the-environment.php
fyi I walk, cycle, run, mass transport, car pool and drive my electric car prn, while recycling everything like my grandfather and his son, my dad, who suffered the worst of the depression like many others. Most of my clothes are 10 years and older. I could be a consumer out of control but that's just my insecurity.
Oh ya, I don't drive a electric car that's powered by Rare Earth magnets and Lithium Ion that's mined out of the ground and is not renewable.
I've been driving my 78 Toyota Pickup, running on ethanol for the past 15 years.
I had a Jeep Cherokee for 20 years that smelled of dogs, even after they passed away. I still dream about that Jeep even tho I knew I needed to go electric despite the environmental fallout that Michael also mentioned.
Back in a past life we had a 2-door Jeep Cherokee -- I loved that truck (even when I had to speed up on the interstate so I could kick it into 4-wheel-drive -- when it kicked in I was driving down the lane backwards 😱😱, but I didn't run into anyone and arrived safely at my destination)! Now we have a Honda Element 4WD (13 years old, but I have a good mechanic and can't imagine ever getting rid of my female menopause vehicle 😜)!
I don't have time to tell you all the reasons his film is wrong about ethanol. This review is pretty right on.
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/05/michael-moores-planet-of-the-humans-documentary-peddles-dangerous-climate-denial/
I can appreciate what Yale Climate Connection says here, as well as all others. But can the environmental impact of renewable energy be ignored? Michael and Jeff Gibbs make a valid point. Again, there's a need for solutions, especially how we go about those solutions.
This is from the United Nations Energy Council:
"Use of renewable energy undoubtedly contributes to building a more sustainable future of our planet. It is also one of the key actions towards reaching diverse and ambitious goals set by the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. However, exploitation of renewable energy resources may also lead to certain environmental problems or risks regarding human health. Environmental assessments, including Strategic Environmental Assessment (SEA) and Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA), can be seen as tools which help to maximize environmental and social benefits resulting from renewable energy development, while avoiding or minimizing potential adverse effects."
https://unece.org/environmental-policy/events/role-strategic-environmental-assessment-renewable-energy-planning
This sums up what Michael and Jeff are getting at. And yet, it does seem that the renewable energy industry is taking this as undue criticism, as if they called them a bad name and should stop all together.
Should they? I don't think so. Checks and Balances help us to do the best we can, better than we might be. It takes oversight in this case of which there isn't enough of.
Just so you know, or fyi, I'm not critical of anyone for the vehicle they drive. I got a lot of flak for my Jeep. And before that, one person called my AMC station wagon "a refugee from a demolition derby." I didn't care. I loved that car. So did my kids. That's what matters.
Did you know that 88% of all the corn that's grown is for animal feed, and almost all of that is for cattle? Do you know that cattle get sick when the eat corn? Did you know that the reason there is antibodies and other drugs in our meat is because cattle are fed corn. Do you know that the part of the corn that makes them sick is the starch. Did you know that when you make ethanol from corn it uses the starch and leaves distillers grain which is a healthy feed stock for cattle. So ethanol is the byproduct of making healthy feed for cattle.
I recommend you read a book called Alcohol Can be a Gas. The author has a amazing example of what could be done with producing ethanol in Watsonville CA. https://www.blumedistillation.com/
I would but I already know the benefits of ethanol.
Does this book say anything about the environmental impact?
Do you want to breathe ground ozone, Mr. Stoltz?
Please read this on the health effects on our lungs and nervous system, that deteriorates the microscopic layers of our vital system.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2019.02518/full
Again, "What can we do about the ozone ground effect that contaminates water sources, agriculture, the air we breathe etc?"
btw I'm vegan and a member of PETA. Cruelty to animals is really bad karma. It destroys their spirit and eventually the people responsible.
There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything. We don't need to be using all those pesticides and chemicals to grow any of our crops. But until people stop buying that stuff, they're going to keep using it. Even though you don't eat meat, most people do. All the corn that's grown for feed is going to be grown anyway, so why not make fuel with it too. If ethanol ever is allowed to reach it's full potential, we'll be making it from many other things, that will help the environment. Ethanol can be made from almost any bio-mass.
The only way we're going to get there is to support it. As I said, we need to call out people like Moore who spread misinformation.
READ THE BOOK!
Yes it does. It also dispels many of the myths about it's environmental impact.
"I would but I already know the benefits of ethanol", says a lot. If you ever want to get educated on what could be with ethanol, book a tour at Blume Distillation.
Hi Dave I saw your comment and realised I had to see the film for myself. I watched it yesterday which was an incredibly hard watch on a topic that frankly the team need applauding for having the courage to make. I also admit it brought me to tears so I guess that it is testament to the production and its raw content that is hard to face. It compounded a lot of my beliefs that we as humans maybe in our day to day lives don’t want to face that our consumption cannot be rolled back sufficiently to save the planet. Today I met a complete stranger from NZ who had not seen the film but in conversation came out with the same conclusion quite frankly as the film. I was so sorry to read how you feel and I hope in this response I have understood some of the reasons you may feel that way. Sending love Hillary
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/05/michael-moores-planet-of-the-humans-documentary-peddles-dangerous-climate-denial/
I come here occasionally to discuss issues but have been lambasted for not worshipping Michael Moore and belonging to his cult of personality. I'm happy you're here. Just ignore the self righteousness and celebrity worship.
Thanks. I joined this forum to hopefully get a conversation going with Moore himself about how wrong that movie is. Has anybody heard from Moore himself or does he just set back and collect the money and praise? I just quit my.
Generally, no, although he liked one of my comments once. I just want to break though this mentality where people have become blind followers of people who say what they want to hear. i got my butt kicked by a guy a few days ago because I said this seems like a cult of personality. I was belittled and insulted for it. I also found it offensive that he toots his own horn but doesn't respond to reader comments. Talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
I've found that most people need to have somebody to follow, whether it's donald trump, Michael Moore or whoever. They need to be led. They're looking for somebody to tell them that they are okay. If you question that person that they've chosen as their leader, you're going to catch hell, as you did. All those white supremacists have always been here. They've been lurking under the muck waiting for a donald trump to come along to make it okay for them to slither up out of the muck and show their faces.
Hi Dave I just responded to your original point re Planet of the Humans and at that point had not read the whole thread. I joined the group as yes I do admire Micheal and shared his opinions about both wars and much much more. However I am also of the belief that we should praise where it is due, critique, disagree,agree etc as that to me is fundamental to evolving in this ever disingenuous world with dangerous mis information daily. The last thing I want from this experience is to feel that anyone feels bullied or categorised or not able to exercise reasonable free speech. It is my first subscription to any group and therefore I am the first to acknowledge my in experience in what that entails. Hillary
Planet of the Humans is an abomination full of inaccuracies and outdated rubbish. Michael should bury it in the deepest landfill he can find.
I'm a stubborn cuss, a hardcore skeptic and hopefully, not a follower. In my life and travels I have seen how people seem to want to be led, and that's a dangerous thing when the leader embodies all of your own grievances and dares to be angry - it's how a billionaire elitist like Trump managed to convince millions of working class Americans that "he alone could fix it." After they become devotees, they allow the leader to do their thinking because he appears to be so good at it. I lived in Egypt when I saw Sisi stage his coup and take over the country in 2014. Everybody loved him, and now he is the most oppressive dictator in Egyptian history. I returned to the US in late 2016 and spent the Trump presidency in apoplexy.
We need more people that question everything, like you. Thanks
As an old woman from a smart LA family, now stuck in Oklahoma for the last 30 years, I can testify most Americans do not recognize satire when they see it. That is a little harder than getting it once it's been explained, but that is the definition of understanding satire. I tried to explain satire to high school seniors for 15 years. An annual handful laughed quietly, though a little shocked by one of the easiest examples, Swift's "A Modest Proposal". But honestly, most were just shocked without understanding. Sigh.
There should be a Galileo Society. The world isn’t flat, and fires can’t bring down structural-steel framed skyscrapers. Go the next step, Michael.
https://youtu.be/dh4r-gHdyPU
Interesting that I have to pay to comment on whether Or not I want to pay. FOR: support free speech. AGAINST: it’s not really free, is it?
Loyo, my friend, I'll be glad to reimburse you for being part. Your voice and what you say is important. God Bless Michael, for helping us immensely and giving us a chance to comment.
Don't you want to help promote his work? Our Democracy of Liberty, Justice and Equality for All is at stake with White Nationalists, Neo-Nazis and Confederates, the worst of fascists.
Capitalist war-mongers fuel it, as Michael makes clear here.
We need to pull together and speak truth to power like Michael. He is a prophet, like Micaiah, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Plato and lives the meaning of how we need to be Christians.
It is about love and watching for the evil that can come out of us and others.
(Matthew 15:19)
The mythologist Joseph Campbell reminds us the Golden Rule has always been The Golden Path to the Deities and Heaven, treating others as we'd want to be, amending when we fail. Jung confirmed it. Dreams don't lie.
The best leadership is by example that Michael exemplifies.
Michael was the only one warning us about Bush, giving us the facts in the face of all Bush's lies, deceit and treachery. Bush lied. Millions died. He is responsible for failing to respond to warnings about terrorists planning to attack us. This is gross negligence resulting in death. Millions of deaths. Even the famed prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book: The Prosecution of George W Bush for Murder.
It is beyond reasonable doubt what we're up against.
Please join us and speak truth to power. Please
God Bless You Loyo, for being here.
Stan, Michael Moore is not a prophet. That's the wording of a sycophant for his master. He is also not a leader. Here we are again, dealing with a cult of personality.
Sorry to leave such a long reply, but this is serious stuff, Marycat.
Our Democracy is threatened.
I could've just said that as Michael questions the leaders and authorities of our time as prophets have, he's always been responsive to those who question him, unlike those he's questioned. His comments here are proof.
How does this make him a cult personality?
I've yet to meet, read or hear of anyone being submissive to Michael. No blind sheep here. He wouldn't allow for it. It'd contradict our Democracy.
Again, more of us need to be speaking out like him.
The facts and evidence are overwhelmingly in his favor.
I neglected to mention the role of history. Pentagon Chief of Staff, General Mark Milley, accurately assessed the terrorist white threat we're up against:
"These are the same people we fought in WW II."
https://www.businessinsider.com/top-us-general-likened-trump-hitler-over-2020-election-lies-2021-7
That's how serious this is. Over 60 million people died, mostly civilians.
Trump is following Hitler's playbook of lies and provoking fear and violence.
Will fascists, neo-nazis and confederates need to be reminded why they lost?
Will you? The Charlottesville Chant: "Jews will not replace us."
By their own words are they condemned. And you'd have us be silent?
Fortunately, we are a majority for Liberty, Justice and Equality for All.
But if you see us as sycophants for Michael or President Biden, Vice-President Kamala Harris, General Milley or any of our Democratic leaders who also speak out as Michael has, I have to question why you're here. The facts are against you.
Where did you get this idea that he's a cult personality and we're sycophants?
Michael is one of many who are leading the charge for our Democracy.
And in fact, he was the only one who warned us about Bush.
The Fictitious President:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Is43K6lrg
(1:57)
Please join us while you can, Marycat.
Please state your real name.
Thanks!
I'm sorry to hear you say this.
Would you be so kind as to substantiate your claims? I have to question what spirit moves you? What dreams have you had about Michael or any of us?
You are perfectly free to draw your own conclusions about Michael and the millions of us who greatly appreciate what he's done and continues to do in speaking truth to power. But haven't prophets always done this?
More importantly, Michael is living the change we need to be, caring for one another. How else to have a Democracy of Liberty, Justice and Equality for All?
And you?
Have you read Micaiah 1 Kings 22, the Tao Te Ching of Lao Tzu, or Buddha, warning us to not wage war and fight amongst ourselves? What did Jesus say about what would make for our peace? Let me know if you need the passage.
Do you even read the bible? What do you read?
But please read the above. Can you see the parallels with Michael?
Or are you a GOP Trump supporter of the white nationalist agenda?
How many times has Trump lied? Please watch Fahrenheit 11/9.
I would subscribe to your view, but there's nothing you 've said that will make this world a better place, especially when you wrongly criticize Michael and those of us who support him. Please substantiate your claims as Michael has. If he or any of us have spoken falsely, you need to point out how we have.
As it is, the evidence is overwhelmingly in Michael's favor of our Democracy.
From an individuation standpoint, please study your psyche with the help of your dreams. I suspect you are in denial about the state of things. Gaslighting can be dangerous, not just for adolescents lighting up their flatulence. Funny name for denial. Jung warned long ago about compartmentalization.
Plato saw this long before, how shadows of false ideas on the wall of our mind can hold us bound if we fail to seek the light of reason to free us of them. Michael has given us "the facts and nothing but the facts, maam."
Who said, "You don't wage war on ideology." (?)
The biblical, mythical and empirical parallels of what prophets have said to the leaders of their day is very similar to what Michael has said. More of us need to.
Please join us.
If anyone calls you a sycophant, remind them of Micaiah, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Plato et al, as I have with you. Michael is more Christian than those who claim to be.
Pilate could see the Sanhedrin was jealous of Jesus. Are you jealous of Michael?
Please study your psyche more closely to see where you get this idea that he's a cult personality and we're a bunch of sycophants. It is despite the evidence.
As Micaiah warned, the spirit that moves you, will claim you. Dreams don't lie.
Please join us.
Please don't bother responding until you've read the above passages I'd suggested and answer my questions. I wonder if you are a GOP Republican.
Indeed, what spirit moves you? You need to reconcile this with the Lord.
Thank you Stan for providing in an eloquent way a response to my attempt to encourage discussion. It was merely an attempt in good faith to allow people to enjoy posting their personal feelings, to openly discuss and ultimately work towards further learning from comments in a common cause on a platform Micheal has created, for those of us that have followed and supported his courageous career.
Of course there will be descent of opinions but personal attacks, are surely not part of any equation, especially without any substantive discussion from the commenter.
Thank you for providing enlightening comments and view points that can be researched. Hillary
Sorry for the dissertation on dissension. It's a discussion and debate in itself how we might all find common ground, if one really wants to.
Is it possible that Jesus may also be the cause of dissension?
Luke 12:49-53
If so, it may be to force us to examine ourselves as Lao Tzu advised.
Projections and Expectations are unavoidable, but can be a stepping stone to realizing the various spirit-elements in us, as Jung indicated.
And yet, we throw stones because of our fragile, insecure ego.
This just in on Trump's coup attempt last January 6th.
The evidence is conclusive. By his own words he is condemned.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/22/politics/donald-trump-new-revelations/index.html
Michael is a prophet. (cf Fahrenheit 11/9)
So is Dr. Bandy Lee and others on Trump, the epitome of our ego:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35343348-the-dangerous-case-of-donald-trump
We do have a domestic terrorist threat here because of Trump and his white nationalists, neo-nazis and confederates who want to dominate.
https://apnews.com/article/fbi-chris-wray-testify-capitol-riot-9a5539af34b15338bb5c4923907eeb67
Sting (in his younger days): Fragile (how fragile we are)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB6a-iD6ZOY
(3:51)
"Nothing good comes from violence, nothing ever will."
The soldier, scholar, translator and commentator on the Jerusalem Bible, JRR Tolkien, wrote stories for his children about our human condition. He knew from the Bible and his experiences of war about the good and evil in us. Why spend a 100 G's for a Master of Divinity when for $10 bucks, one can get a good, used JB?
Smeagol was a good hobbit until he was corrupted by the Ring of Power, same as any of us for any object of desire or ideology.
Bilbo nearly succumbed, if not for Gandalf.
Frodo was able to return the ring only because of Gollum.
Smeagol-Gollum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knImeAiO1qc
(1:40)
Gandalf Saves Bilbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yy0pPTrHlk&t=3s
(4:13)
Frodo and Gollum (the struggle with our demonic-ego shadow)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoeSQNKYGJc
(3:51)
When we think we've found what we've been searching for, we need to venture again from our door. Frodo lives, especially in our dreams.
Peace and Love to Everyone
GMT +8
Again Stan you raise valid points.
I was born into a so called first generation ‘ middle class’ family, where my father and his two siblings strived to eliminate their working class roots. In observing this I was unable to understand what I would now know to be cognitive dissonance.
I was one of two children who was born to question and witnessed first hand how the expectations of me were higher than my more con formative sibling. I always felt the need to help the under dog and was so very often castigated for this as a child. It has followed me throughout my life.
I also require me time to meditate and ground myself,especially in these times where there is so much in justice, misinformation and I guess my struggles with misinformation and how it is spreading across the world and just how it influences people in such a way, when there is a vast array of sources in which to source facts.
I have recently been reminded by your postings of the interviews Micheal gave surrounding ‘where to invade next’, where he was asked why he didn’t include the UK, he responded by stating that it was deliberate due to the fact that the UK was going the way of the US.Much to the surprise visibly on display of the UK press.
How right he was once again, the right wing press, politicians etc milking fear, stoking division and of course the enemy of all our problems Europe! Oh and of course the immigrants.
We now have our own version of your other guy who with his cronies and rich donors ripping off YES the working class whilst they believe their best interests are being served. Quietly selling off our NHS, cutting rights and all in the name of “we’ve got back our sovereignty “
How I wish you could have cut through Micheal as its so depressive to watch.
The playbook of these people on the right is as you quite rightly state is straight out of the same one used as the Nazi’s. I have read sections of MEIN kAMF and only sections as its so spine chilling. The ease at which man could be manipulated into doing the un imaginable. The rest of which of course is history and the atrocities that followed.
Apologies for the long reply and in closing I forgot to mention I don’t subscribe to the Guardian even though its our only commonly known independent news outlet . I downloaded the free APP which I don’t know if you can get in the US.
Sending love Hillary
We can thank Michael Moore for giving us a chance to engage in global discussion about life as we experience it, our future, our children's and theirs. This is important as his films show. With proper dialogue, we can work together in making this world a better place for everyone.
We are in need of global group therapy.
The political and corporate capitalist agenda is destroying our planet and spirit as human beings, as Michael clearly shows. He gives us excellent examples of countries who restrict military spending by investing in the people, caring for their needs.
Some 2,500 years ago, Lao Tzu, Buddha, Confucius and others, wrote of caring for the people. In so doing, their spirit is cared for. The I Ching, or Book of Changes, simply advises rulers to, "fill bellies." Lao Tzu says to "hide weapons of war."
Violence should be a last resort in strict self-defense. It's also biblical. Jesus and others refused worldly power to serve that we might also.
The great historian Thomas Cahill believes it will take those like St. Mother Teresa if there's any hope for our civilization.
See any similarity with Michael?
He was once a seminarian to be a priest.
His spirit is evident. It's a universal spirit we can share.
And yet, the power struggle to dominate others goes on."
The rise of fascism around the world is rearing its ugly head.
John Steinbeck in his epic The Moon is Down, tells the story of the military occupation of a small town in Northern Europe by the army of an unnamed nation at war with England and Russia (much like the occupation of Norway by the Germans during World War II). In one scene, a soldier tells his lunatic c o, commanding officer:
"The people don't like to be conquered, sir."
Xenophobic, racial pride is the driving force that Stanley Kubrick brought out in his great movie, Dr. Strangelove. In this scene, he portrays Dr. Strangelove, wonderfully played by Peter Sellers, as a man at odds with himself, which we all are, which really is the cause of dissension, if we can see the various opposing forces that can take hold or possess as Jung described. Plato saw long before, shadows of false ideas that possess. It is mostly our shadowy, fearful, demonic ego that is the cause of dissension. Too often, violence results and can lead to global annihilation as Stanley Kubrick warns.
Nazi Arm Salute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddWNMSUbcGI
(0:28 He gives the salute, hits his arm, his fist hits his chin, he bites his fist, which then tries to choke him. Definitely at odds with himself)
Proper dialogue free of ulterior motives prevents dissension.
"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM
(0:36)
The Nuclear End if we fail to work together:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4VlruVG81w
(1:52)
There's numerous scenes that Michael shows of trying to talk to prominent, powerful people who refuse to talk with him, bound by the darkness of their minds and capitalist agenda. He's asked the questions that need to be answered. It's evident that too many leaders are bound by their ideology and worldly power that Jesus refused..
In his farewell address, President Washington warned of corporate self-interest groups and foreign interference, which we've seen in the last two elections with more charges against Russian operatives.
This subversion of the will of the people and a government of the people, by the people and for the people will perish, as President Lincoln also warned.
Jimi Hendrix said it best:
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, there will be peace." He learned it from Jesus, same as Michael.
https://www.mountvernon.org/library/digitalhistory/digital-encyclopedia/article/george-washington-s-farewell-address/?gclid=CjwKCAjwhaaKBhBcEiwA8acsHLZ2BkuPDPHED35bBOfU2dvAfXJJv5Lw7p_Zvd13_J7GTmEenvcuYRoCoBsQAvD_BwE
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/gettysburg.htm
Stop trying to sell your crazy to me. I'm not interested. Wow, and I thought all the crazies were on Facebook.
I have to say I am finding it hard to understand why this is turning into terms of cult of personality when people are expressing their freedom of speech. There are many interpretations falling well under the definitions of the words used. In my opinion Micheal could be described in those terms quite legitimately, but as I said before your freedom to interpret is valid to you, but if you truly find it that upsetting is the reality that this site is going to contain complimentary comments about Micheal but not in anyway justify the final sentence of the comment you made?
I cannot make any sense of your comment and I have read it 4 times. I don't know what you're asking me. I don't think I have to justify my opinion of either Moore or his films. I am interested in discussing issues, not whether or not he is a prophet. I find it alarming that most commenters come here to tell him what a great guy he is.
I apologise for any confusion. I don’t understand why you find it alarming that people want to express their genuine opinions including those about Micheal. If you don’t agree then surely that is your entitlement too. Does that warrant the use of cult of personality or sycophant? Shouldn’t it just be accepted that we can all agree to disagree and discuss issues as well.
To make try and give an example of what I was saying the word Leader. Is the person of a company the leader by appointment or because they actually lead and isn’t that at the opinion of all involved, who I bet would not unanimously agree on that, depending on a whole array of issues.
I guess what I am saying is that just as you quite rightly say you don’t have to justify your position then I am suggesting that maybe that requires reciprocal actions of yourself and non categorisation of anyone else for their position.
In conclusion it is surely a reality that its Micheal’s site and therefore by virtue weighted towards him especially as a member and discussion will be around his work and what I am asking is why because someone really likes his work and supports his view points does it put them in a cult of personality rather than just a person who doesn’t share your view point.
I look forward to seeing your posts on issues in the future and discussions thereafter.
Please do not comment on what I write. I do not need to justify what I write to anyone here or elsewhere. Your word salads are too annoying to attempt to decipher, and for someone who claims to enjoy "discussion," you seem to actually relish personal criticism of your fellow commenters.
It's Substack charging you, not Michael Moore.