Please stop your campaign to undermine confidence in Biden. You are destroying the confidence people have in him. You might as well hand the presidency to Trump. Stop with this destructive campaign.
You are delusional. Biden has Parkinson's Disease and by the end of the year will barely be able to talk. And you talk about Trump? And saving democracy? What is democracy worth when you have to not believe your own eyes to support a political party? Do you really think Biden in his current condition has any business being president but somehow Trump doesn't? Both men are dangers to democracy and to our very survival.
Biden is completely capable of continuing the run the country as our President, and to continue to do the great job he is doing. I am sorry to say that it is you are delusional to try to even suggest that Biden is "dangerous" to democracy.
Trump is clearly the impaired candidate with mental illness and he is a clearly a danger to democracy since he is a habitual liar, traitor, and wanna-be dictator, not to mention that Trump does not have the intelligence either.
Biden has slowed down a bit, but making an over-the-top accusation of claiming he has Parkinson's is just ridiculous. Biden, in contrast to Trump, is a decent honorable and very capable President who has taken this country out of the mess Trump left it in. Biden got us through a pandemic, got the infrastructure and CHIPS bills passed, and got our economy up and running and thriving.
Biden for President and Harris for Vice President is the winning ticket, and we need to continue backing this ticket to win in November.
Trump is a snake, but Biden wasn't fast enough to avoid his fangs. If the democrats nominate him, sure, I'LL support him. But he'll lose. It breaks my heart. We're all mortal, though.
Your loyalty is appreciated but you are so wrong on the outcome. If we support Joe Biden, the votes will come in for him because Biden is completely capable of continuing to do a great job as President. The alternatives of Trump or RFK Jr. are completely unacceptable. We just need to reject any suggestion of Biden stepping down. Biden is the ONLY candidate who can beat Trump. Trump knows this and wants Biden out of the race. So, any Dem suggesting this needs to stop playing into this obvious hand that Trump and his cronies want them to "take the bait" on.
Exactly! And we can thank the Media (& CNN/George) for the constant BADGERING‼️ They “elected” trump in 2016 & they’re trying to do it again!! We ALL must speak up & do our part to GET OUT THE VOTE‼️ ONWARD☮️
Absolutely, Trump has no business any where near the White House. You’d actually seriously vote for Trump? He’s following the manifesto Bannon is filling his head with. It’s anarchy.
I know. He just decided to lie. He does not know if Joe has Parkinson’s or a cold. Oh well. Press on, my sisters. WE are the ones that have always done the work. We will save democracy while men whine.
What if it's not What you or I believe? What difference if he loses because we don't have the answer to WHY he lost traction on June 27. He did. Getting it back is not something I can do. I can't - you can't overcome the groundswell of public opinion. I want to. I love the man for all he has done. But, I gotta face the fact that all the votes that were on the fence fell the other way or stayed on the fence. Tight race. Too tight, stakes too high to blow it. We have to do it FOR Joe. Remember Bernie? Why put Joe through that?
This is such over-reaction to one debate that did not go well because Biden was exhausted and had a cold. Historically, there are plenty of presidential incumbents who did not do well on their first debate who went on to win, like Obama. There was a huge amount of donations which came in for Biden after the debate, which is evidence of the support for him. Plus, his interview Friday night made it clear that he is completely capable of continuing to do the job. It is ridiculous to consider any other candidate at this point, when Joe Biden can, and will win in November with our support now.
That thinking is just as delusional and progandized as Trump supporters. George Orwell said it best in 1984 (his novel not the year): “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” Democrats do this just as much as Republicans, which is why so many Americans are withdrawing from this corrupt, amoral, militaristic, nationalistic two-party nonsense.
Honey, we women are the SOUL of this country. Press on, my sisters. It’s OUR grassroots efforts that beat Trump before and will do it again. The whiners are the dickless men who need to grow some ovaries!
Parkinson’s huh? Nope. I would agree he just can’t meet the demands of this office that are needed to save us from Trump.
I was pretty down on Kamala, but with the right exposure and a chance to eat Trump alive in debate, she could be the much desired combo of first woman and first Black Woman President… Then again someone states that Michelle Obama has a 10% lead over Trump, so…
Michelle Obama would just be another term for Barack Obama. Which you're fine with, even though he dropped over 26,000 bombs on the Middle East in just one year AND he assassinated American citizens (with drones) which is one of many illegal things he did while in office: https://harvardpolitics.com/obama-war-criminal/
Well, Barry what Obama did pales next to virtually every President going back to Truman, and this is really that contrary to what you might think is reality or fair that Presidents inherit shit sandwich situations from their predecessors. And they just continue the policy. Jack Kennedy got killed, because he dared to go against the likes of paranoid monsters like Dulles, and LeMay
I am not by any means going to credit Obama as great President.
Again the frame here is some viable Democratic ticket against arguably the reincarnation of Hitler to serve in Executive.
You may not be delighted with the Harris/Obama ticket, but I predict it could generate incredible excitement to trounce that sociopathic, grifting, rapist and his gang of billionaire gangsters.
You’ve got the right idea … “It’s the incumbency, stupid!” If we throw out the incumbency it’s the WH for Trump and no discussion. Biden OR Kamala - but NEVER let the incumbency go.
Well now, who is delusional now Mr. Kaufman? Not Biden eh? Seems it's yourself and Mr. Trump. You and he totally unfit. To float a conspiracy theory on the one hand - and hold the Office of the President of the United States on the other.
I'm a male progressive. I will NOT vote for Biden if he is the candidate. I regret voting for him the last time. His incompetence was the nail in the coffin. He pretty much lost me with his awful foreign policy with Ukraine, China, and especially Israel. His support for genocide in Gaza was a red line. He's essentially a war criminal to me now. He lost all moral high ground.
Not voting for Biden is essentially voting for Trump. I also vehemently disagree with his policy on Gaza. But do you think Trump would have done a better job. The stakes are too high. If nothing else, it is the lesser of two evils.
You have got to be kidding right. This statement "Not voting for Biden is essentially voting for Trump" violates the laws of logic and math. Think about what you are saying. Decrementing the total vote count by one doesn't favor either candidate. That's how math works. Think about it. What if I made that statement to a Trump voter, they could just as easily say "Not voting for Trump is a vote for Biden" Who is right? Do you see the logical problem there?
The Gaza situation is tragic and it is no wind situation for the U.S. It is clear that you would not vote for Biden, and therefore it sounds like you are looking for a third party candidate who cannot possible win. I am sorry, but doing that is basically a vote for Trump.
Well, Nancy, actually President Biden’s incumbency is diminished severely. The Joe Biden that we voted for in 2020 is virtually unrecognizable today. He is frail,halting,querulous, and while his will may be strong,his presentation is anything but. We need a more robust and consistent candidate, one who can be relied on to show up with guns blazing to give it to Trump, and the sad and jerky old fella whomstokd slack-jawed and bewildered on the debate stage is not that guy.
I'm with Michael. I've been a progressive for 40 years. I'm NOT going to vote for Biden. Blaming voters or Michael for the failure of the Democratic party is totally unfair. We deserve better candidates. We can't be expected to vote for a poor candidate because they are a "lesser evil." That is philosophically untenable to me. I reject the framing of every race as a binary choice. We all have choices when voting. We can vote 3rd party or not at all. In my mind, that is the ONLY viable thing to do when both candidates are awful.
You’d vote for Trump who is a felon or RFK Jr who has brain worms over Biden who is a good man and will continue to work to better this country . Seriously? No wonder we are in so much trouble.
Your tactic of alienating progressive voters by blaming us rather than the Democratic party for running a weak candidate (we know he is weak because Trump is historically bad, and he's winning in the polls), is likely to backfire like it did in 2016. We are the same voting block who refused to vote for Clinton when Sanders was railroaded by the DNC. Now, the Dems have also alienated Muslim-Americans by supporting genocide in Gaza. The Dems can't win without us, but go ahead, blame us and condescend. You know nothing about me, yet you are assuming I'm somehow less educated because I have a different opinion.
I'll put my education level on political science and foreign policy up against yours. My shelves are lined with Chomsky, Mearsheimer, Weiner, Chalmers Johnson, and Zinn just to name a few. I have a long post on why Biden's foreign policy has literally led to geopolitical destabilization. What academics inform your stance?
Just a couple of points:
1) Biden was the one who pushed Ukraine/Georgia NATO expansion in 2008-2009 even after the Russians indicated it was a red line and would lead to conflict. So, US foreign policy was a major catalyst for Putin's invasion. I feel sorry for the Ukrainians. The West is using them as fodder for a proxy war to grind down Russia. Ukraine is unlikely to win. There is no strategy in the West for victory. Great powers do not respond well when you engage in military expansion near their borders. The US had a fit during the Cuban Missile Crisis when Russia did this, and it almost caused a nuclear conflict. Putin is going to get what he wants here, so we might as well negotiate a ceasefire and save lives. Putin has no interest in ALL of Ukraine He is NOT going to invade other countries. He wants the eastern oblasts that have Russian-leaning populations.
2) Antagonizing China by way of tariffs and supporting separatists in Taiwan is foolish and a gross overreach by the US. Taiwan belongs to China. It was procured from Japan in 1946 after the war, and then Mao and the communists won an internal civil war in 1949 against Chiang Kai-shek and the ROC. Chiang was exiled on Taiwan with his faction. Imagine if after our Civil War, Alabama, or some Southern state wanted to break free of the US. Now imagine China started supporting them and their independence. Would the US stand for that? That's what is going on here. The tariffs Biden are imposing are to try and prevent China from overtaking the US in technological advancement. How would the US behave if Taiwan tried to cut us off from silicon? The US is messing up global trade and it is affecting allies like Japan.
3. Then we have Gaza, where we are actively supporting the carpet bombing and starvation of a large civilian population. This is a moral red line for many of us. In my opinion, it makes Biden and Blinken war criminals, much like Kissinger and Nixon were.
There are many other reasons for me to dislike Biden, but these are some big ones. If you like these policies, and enjoy global destabilization, then you are more than welcome to support Biden. Don't get angry at those of us who don't thought. Don't condescend and act like we haven't educated ourselves on the issues. That will get the Dems wiped off the map in November.
Steve W—thank you‼️ I’ve studied/read Chomsky/Zinn etc and I’m a Humanitarian & Democratic Socialist who worked hard for Bernie! After he won Nevada in a landslide, I was livid when Jim Clyburn & the DNC immediately dumped him for Biden! But, Biden listened to Bernie and implemented many of his ideas/goals! If Biden didn’t really know how crucial this election is and felt good enough to be President again he wouldn’t! He’s just the POTUS, but has an incredible group of people doing what needs to be done after ALL the damage trump & Co did in just 4 years (even just environmentally)! It’s WAY too late to pick another Dem candidate, anyway!
After ALL you have done for this country & been one of my heroes—STOP this sudden turn around for you!! George S. & his horrible badgering of Biden was unforgivable! Biden is soft spoken (& now even hoarse), he’s intelligent & he CARES, like you do! He CAN beat trump and fuck all these Democratic Congress people back-stabbing him right now ‼️ Do they think one of THEM would be chosen?! They AREN’T PROGRESSIVES—and ANYONE voting for Stein or West are helping trump & Project 2025 win‼️ I’m blaming all of them if trump “wins” ( and YOU) and getting the hell out of this pitifully racist country‼️
You clearly were never going to vote for Biden anyway, nor a Dem candidate. So, you sound like you will be voting for a third party candidate, or a write in who have no chance of winning. So, in essence, your vote will not help stop Trump.
Steve, the NATO expansion dates back as policy with the prospect of Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO has antagonized Putin at least since President George W. Bush expressed support for the idea in 2008.
Trump has long worked to hand Ukraine to his puppet master Putin. In fact the “annexation” of Crimea was under Obama.
Putin will take every inch of Ukraine he can and then start again when he has Trump in office
Our democracy is at stake here! People who don’t vote for President Biden or don’t vote at all, are aiding the conman in becoming a dictator! Vote Blue!💙🇺🇸
I totally agree with you. I’m disappointed in Michael’s stance on this, as well as some celebrities. People need to shut the hell up and keep their negative remarks to themselves! We need to come together and VOTE BLUE for President Biden to save our democracy. He’s definitely up to the task and has so much more he wants to do for the American people.💙🇺🇸
Michael, I can’t believe how patronizing you are being! I usually agree with you, but this is completely out of line. No one is forcing Joe Biden to stay in the race. There is no elder abuse. He is his own agent. Get a life!
I am angry that Stepahopoulus was such a jerk. He was arrogant and tried to bully Biden repeating questions over and over again trying to get an answer HE wanted instead of accepting Biden's answers. It was harrasement, not a fair and respectful interview. It was infuriating.
I use to respect Stephanopoulus, but not any more since has clearly gone right-wing since he joined ABC. What a sellout he has become.
I disagree with Michael’s view, vehemently. No one can do better than Biden. Some hack democrat cannot replace his life experience and his wisdom. Sure he’s lost a step: he’s not a graceful speaker. So-called Liberals, Progressives and Democrats, calm the fuck down.
Would you want the frail, halting, slack-jawed Biden that came to the debate, involved in a national crisis? I wouldn’t. And there’s no guarantee that it is a one-off. In fact, the Stephanopoulos debate suggests that it is not.
First, the answer is yes, I will vote for Biden all day, any day, and always. He is a great president, honest, dedicated unlike Trump who is a lying, cheating, rapist, and felon who also is mentally ill. What about Trump's "shark's and sinking boats with battery's" diatribe. Why are we not talking about that?.
But further, do you think Trump lying every time he opened his mouth at the debate and veering off on tangents to avoid answering the questions did better? No, he didn't.
Also, in case you haven't heard, Joe's poll numbers went UP in swing states after the debate. So, it is not helpful to over-react to one debate when Biden was exhausted from traveling all over the country and time zones for the weeks before the debate and having a cold. No one half his age could have done well under those conditions.
No. Wasn't he at Camp David for about a week preparing for the debate? Some people said he showed evidence of over-preparation. I saw that too --he was regurgitating too many numbers without putting any heart behind it. Stats are fine but at some point you have to argue why your policies are better than the other guy's.
Trump had been traveling all over the country too, and he was in fighting mode on debate night. I despise the man, but his energy made the contrast with Biden all the more painful. We need a candidate that will make Trump look like the failing old man that he is. Biden said that he has not even watched the debate. How will he correct a trajectory that he won’t even look at?
Actually Trump was playing golf far more than campaigning, while Biden was running the country and dealing with all the critical issues facing us, and also flying all over the country to campaign.
Trump is mentally ill which is part of why he is a megalomaniac. Trump is also a convicted rapist and felon, bigot and traitor.
In contrast, Joe Biden is a honest, dedicated, moral leader, who has been doing an incredible job as our president.
Trump would sell out the U.S. in a heartbeat to Russia or any enemy for his personal gain. That would never happen with Biden who is dedicated to protecting the U.S.
I'm a progressive who voted for Biden the last time. I will NOT be voting for him again. His foreign policy on Ukraine, China, and especially Israel is a major problem for me. His continued support of genocide in Gaza is a moral red line. His cognitive problems are also an issue. I know many progressives in my swing state who are NOT voting for Biden and did the last time.
Read Project 2025. That is what you will be voting for, and it is very scary. Federal workers fired so Trump can replace them with people loyal to him. No barrier between the President and the justice dept, CIA, and FBI. He is very clear about his vindictiveness and desire to put opponents in politics and the media in jail. He recently said he wanted to use a military tribunal to charge Liz Cheney with treason.
He wants to replace the income tax with a 10% tariff on all imports. 16 Nobel Prize-winning economists issued a statement saying his policies would cause inflation to skyrocket and wreck the economy.
He want to arrest and detain all illegal immigrants, sending the military to take them from their families and jobs. He plans to incarcerate them until he can send them to their country of origin, even if they were children and know little of the language or culture. Arresting all these people would be a nightmare - and very detrimental to the economy.
I could go on. He wants to reduce social security, Medicare, and the ACA.
And if he gets a Republican Congress, he plans to sign the laws they will pass to make anti-abortion laws national.
The man is a convicted sexual abuser, a convicted financial fraud, a convicted felon who lied when he claimed his payments to keep Stormy quiet just before the 2016 election were legal bills.
Project 2025 was written by the Heritage Foundation, which gave us the radical MAGA justices on SCOTUS, and they used several of his aides from the White House. Doesn’t know them? Hardly. And if he doesn’t know what’s in them how can he say they are foolish?
Hey, as long as all of you who won't be voting for him this time around are OK with the results. Many of us are not, however. And our gay and trans friends and the many who will be deported will not be safe, either. Not voting for Biden will not hurt Biden, but it WILL hurt a lot of other people!
I am. Nothing Trump did was any worse than supporting genocide in Gaza for no other reason than to secure money from AIPAC during campaign season. Biden has shown he's also as mentally incompetent as Trump. I'll let other people decide. I don't want to be responsible for voting for either. They are both awful.
Again, the Gaza situation is tragic but if you think that Trump will do a better job handling that you really are not in reality. Trump has made it very clear that he has no sympathy for the Palestinians.
So, you are only making that situation worse if you don't vote for Biden, since not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump the bigot, and convicted rapist and felon.
Jared Kushner was the one responsible for moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, infuriating the Palestinians. Trump refused to answer the question at the debate about the "two-state" solution, pivoting instead to whining (AGAIN) about the "southern border", which has nothing to do with Palestine. (That was the only question I wanted him to answer, and he didn't answer it -- because he wanted everyone to continue being mad at Biden about this. He didn't want to answer it because he hates the Palestinians. ) Biden is not responsible for what Bibi is doing to Gaza. If you think Trump will be any better, you are seriously delusional
Here's the formal logic showing "Not to decide is to decide" makes no sense.
Let's define our terms:
Let D(x) represent "x decides"
Let !D(x) represent "x does not decide"
The statement "to not decide is to decide" can be formalized as:
!D(x) ⇔ D(x)
This statement is claiming that not deciding is equivalent to deciding. In formal logic, this is a contradiction because it asserts that a proposition and its negation are equivalent.
We can prove this is a contradiction using a truth table:
D(x) !D(x) !D(x)⇔D(x)
T F F
F T F
As we can see, the statement is false for all possible values of D(x).
We can also use the law of non-contradiction, which states that a proposition and its negation cannot both be true at the same time and in the same sense.
Formally:
!(P ∧ !P)
Our statement violates this fundamental logical principle.
Another way to show the logical inconsistency is through a proof by contradiction:
Assume !D(x) ⇔ D(x) is true
This means !D(x) → D(x) and D(x) → !D(x)
From !D(x) → D(x), we can derive D(x)
But from D(x) → !D(x), we can also derive !D(x)
This leads to D(x) ∧ !D(x), which is a contradiction
Conclusion: The statement "to not decide is to decide" is logically inconsistent and can be classified as nonsense from a formal logic perspective.
" And our gay and trans friends and the many who will be deported will not be safe, either. Not voting for Biden will not hurt Biden, but it WILL hurt a lot of other people!"
Why aren’t you worried about Trump who is actually much sicker than President Biden might be? If he is not as unwell as you believe is it not humiliating to be told to take a test, especially when his opponent is obviously in worse shape and way more dangerous?
You can't tell me that supporting a genocide in Gaza is somehow morally better than anything Trump has done. Biden lost me with his pro-Israel policy, especially when we know it is primarily driven by political expediency. The Dems need AIPAC money in an election year!
The Gaza situation is tragic and a no win situation for the U.S. Netenyahu is the problem, not Biden, so you really should focus your frustration on Bibi, not Joe. You clearly have never had any intent on voting for Biden anyway, or any Dem. So, your choices are some third party candidate which has absolutely no chance of winning, and therefore helping Trump.
When will trump be harassed, harangued, and forced to drop out of the race? This is so one sided I can't believe it. I'm sure behind the scenes the President is being evaluated by experts in his personal quarters where rampant speculation and criticism will not be aroused to become worse than it already is. The President and those surrounding him are not stupid and he loves this country more than himself. He will do what is right IF he becomes incapacitated. I swear in today's setting FDR would be pushed over in his wheelchair and scathingly unmercifully insulted. VP Harris will be available in Biden's second term. Why rush to judgement against a President who CAN BE TRUSTED WITH THE OFFICE and give pass after pass after pass to the maniacal dangerous trump who is surrounded by incompetent traitors as his support group of cheerleaders. . Panic mode and changing horses in the middle of the stream would play right into the Right's hands. Take the Democratic boot off President Biden's neck to let him breathe!
Michael, I am so disappointed with you joining in with the media to destroy Biden, and ruin any chance of the Democrats defeating Trump. . I was not a Biden fan, but after he won I saw that he was the right choice. He has accomplished remarkable things, especially given the stalwart Republican opposition. Yes, the Dems should have been positioning other younger candidates in the last 4 years, but this is where we are now. To change horses in mid stream would be political suicide and fracture the Dem party, thereby ensuring a Trump win.
I am sad to say as a white woman, I know my people, and this country will not elect a Black female, or any female of Black person for that matter.
Let's quit whining and get behind the candidate chosen by our party, just as the Republicans do their crazy dangerous candidate who is never questioned on anything. The stakes are too high for us Dems to be turning on one another. It's playing right into Trump's hand. Who by the way is only 3 years younger than Biden and batshit crazy.
I just saw President Biden speaking to George Stephanaupolis adamantly insisting he is fine and needing no further tests. I am afraid his ego is doing this not other people.
I cannot imagine a job more taxing than Joe's. The job ages you. It did not help that Joe was crossing time zones repeatedly right before the debate. That said, shouldn't he have known what he was walking into on 6/27, and rested up? It is just possible the 45 camp planned the event when they knew he would have conflicting obligations IN other time zones at or about the debate time. Should not the people looking out for Joe have known what he was walking into? He may not be solely responsible for that disaster, but that's what was perceived.
It is his aides at fault who pushed for this debate when he was swamped already running the country and campaigning. But it happened and we need to put it behind us and get behind Biden and get the Biden - Harris campaign back on track.
Biden is doing what all of his supporters including me want him to do, which is stay in the race. It is too late to change horses at this point and Joe has been doing a incredible job, as he will continue to.
Everyone needs to just stop the "hand-wringing" after the debate that did not go well. The first debate has not gone well, historically, for many incumbent presidents, but who still went on to win, like Obama.
No ALL of his supporters agree with you - I am 81 nyself and I know my limitations. And accept them. I am a former dancer and I stopped performing at 60 because I knew I could no longer do my best and didnt want to look foolish-he is refusing to let go at everyones expense and its very selfish. And he now looks like an arrogant fool. No I dont support trump
Please stop your campaign to undermine confidence in Biden. You are destroying the confidence people have in him. You might as well hand the presidency to Trump. Stop with this destructive campaign.
You are delusional. Biden has Parkinson's Disease and by the end of the year will barely be able to talk. And you talk about Trump? And saving democracy? What is democracy worth when you have to not believe your own eyes to support a political party? Do you really think Biden in his current condition has any business being president but somehow Trump doesn't? Both men are dangers to democracy and to our very survival.
Biden is completely capable of continuing the run the country as our President, and to continue to do the great job he is doing. I am sorry to say that it is you are delusional to try to even suggest that Biden is "dangerous" to democracy.
Trump is clearly the impaired candidate with mental illness and he is a clearly a danger to democracy since he is a habitual liar, traitor, and wanna-be dictator, not to mention that Trump does not have the intelligence either.
Biden has slowed down a bit, but making an over-the-top accusation of claiming he has Parkinson's is just ridiculous. Biden, in contrast to Trump, is a decent honorable and very capable President who has taken this country out of the mess Trump left it in. Biden got us through a pandemic, got the infrastructure and CHIPS bills passed, and got our economy up and running and thriving.
Biden for President and Harris for Vice President is the winning ticket, and we need to continue backing this ticket to win in November.
Trump is a snake, but Biden wasn't fast enough to avoid his fangs. If the democrats nominate him, sure, I'LL support him. But he'll lose. It breaks my heart. We're all mortal, though.
Your loyalty is appreciated but you are so wrong on the outcome. If we support Joe Biden, the votes will come in for him because Biden is completely capable of continuing to do a great job as President. The alternatives of Trump or RFK Jr. are completely unacceptable. We just need to reject any suggestion of Biden stepping down. Biden is the ONLY candidate who can beat Trump. Trump knows this and wants Biden out of the race. So, any Dem suggesting this needs to stop playing into this obvious hand that Trump and his cronies want them to "take the bait" on.
Exactly! And we can thank the Media (& CNN/George) for the constant BADGERING‼️ They “elected” trump in 2016 & they’re trying to do it again!! We ALL must speak up & do our part to GET OUT THE VOTE‼️ ONWARD☮️
HCR, Robert Hubbell, Allen Lichman ALL SAY IT….
It’s the incumbency that counts. No horse change will win this race. Changing now is Trumps ticket to the WH
They won’t come in only because he is capable…they will come in because he is the INCUMBENT! It’s the incumbency, stupid! Spread the word.
He will only lose if you and others don’t vote. Stop whining and get out the vote. Grow some ovaries and stop acting like a dick.
I couldn’t agree with you more!
Absolutely, Trump has no business any where near the White House. You’d actually seriously vote for Trump? He’s following the manifesto Bannon is filling his head with. It’s anarchy.
You've diagnosed Joe Biden - and your result is he has Parkinsons?
Jaysus... get a grip boyo.
Are you a doctor? Just EXACTLY how have you diagnosed him?
I know. He just decided to lie. He does not know if Joe has Parkinson’s or a cold. Oh well. Press on, my sisters. WE are the ones that have always done the work. We will save democracy while men whine.
What if it's not What you or I believe? What difference if he loses because we don't have the answer to WHY he lost traction on June 27. He did. Getting it back is not something I can do. I can't - you can't overcome the groundswell of public opinion. I want to. I love the man for all he has done. But, I gotta face the fact that all the votes that were on the fence fell the other way or stayed on the fence. Tight race. Too tight, stakes too high to blow it. We have to do it FOR Joe. Remember Bernie? Why put Joe through that?
This is such over-reaction to one debate that did not go well because Biden was exhausted and had a cold. Historically, there are plenty of presidential incumbents who did not do well on their first debate who went on to win, like Obama. There was a huge amount of donations which came in for Biden after the debate, which is evidence of the support for him. Plus, his interview Friday night made it clear that he is completely capable of continuing to do the job. It is ridiculous to consider any other candidate at this point, when Joe Biden can, and will win in November with our support now.
That thinking is just as delusional and progandized as Trump supporters. George Orwell said it best in 1984 (his novel not the year): “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” Democrats do this just as much as Republicans, which is why so many Americans are withdrawing from this corrupt, amoral, militaristic, nationalistic two-party nonsense.
It HAS been pointed out that actions speak policy, and overbearing bluster speaks BS. Well, Joe's got him there. We still have some catch up to do.
Televised "debates" are a new thing. Before TV, there were no opportunities for an apprentice in wonderland to roll over an opponent like a beer can.
WHY can’t we overcome the “groundswell
Of public opinion”⁉️ It’s the MEDIA perpetuating this BS! POLLS, POLLS, POLLS —Whose polls? Who did they ask? How many people did they poll & WHERE⁉️
Get out there and HELP get out the VOTE—NOW‼️
Honey, we women are the SOUL of this country. Press on, my sisters. It’s OUR grassroots efforts that beat Trump before and will do it again. The whiners are the dickless men who need to grow some ovaries!
You gotta face the fact that it’s between INCUMBENCY or TRUMP
CHOOSE!
Parkinson’s huh? Nope. I would agree he just can’t meet the demands of this office that are needed to save us from Trump.
I was pretty down on Kamala, but with the right exposure and a chance to eat Trump alive in debate, she could be the much desired combo of first woman and first Black Woman President… Then again someone states that Michelle Obama has a 10% lead over Trump, so…
Michelle Obama would just be another term for Barack Obama. Which you're fine with, even though he dropped over 26,000 bombs on the Middle East in just one year AND he assassinated American citizens (with drones) which is one of many illegal things he did while in office: https://harvardpolitics.com/obama-war-criminal/
Well, Barry what Obama did pales next to virtually every President going back to Truman, and this is really that contrary to what you might think is reality or fair that Presidents inherit shit sandwich situations from their predecessors. And they just continue the policy. Jack Kennedy got killed, because he dared to go against the likes of paranoid monsters like Dulles, and LeMay
I am not by any means going to credit Obama as great President.
Again the frame here is some viable Democratic ticket against arguably the reincarnation of Hitler to serve in Executive.
You may not be delighted with the Harris/Obama ticket, but I predict it could generate incredible excitement to trounce that sociopathic, grifting, rapist and his gang of billionaire gangsters.
You’ve got the right idea … “It’s the incumbency, stupid!” If we throw out the incumbency it’s the WH for Trump and no discussion. Biden OR Kamala - but NEVER let the incumbency go.
Would he debate Kamala? She probably would clobber him.
Well now, who is delusional now Mr. Kaufman? Not Biden eh? Seems it's yourself and Mr. Trump. You and he totally unfit. To float a conspiracy theory on the one hand - and hold the Office of the President of the United States on the other.
Come back tomorrow and try again lol
As lying is not a problem for you, the Trump train awaits.
You clearly have no problem lying. You belong on the Trump train.
I also believe way more men than women are for Biden to quit.
I am a woman, and have been a staunch Biden supporter. He needs to step down now.
I'm a male progressive. I will NOT vote for Biden if he is the candidate. I regret voting for him the last time. His incompetence was the nail in the coffin. He pretty much lost me with his awful foreign policy with Ukraine, China, and especially Israel. His support for genocide in Gaza was a red line. He's essentially a war criminal to me now. He lost all moral high ground.
Not voting for Biden is essentially voting for Trump. I also vehemently disagree with his policy on Gaza. But do you think Trump would have done a better job. The stakes are too high. If nothing else, it is the lesser of two evils.
You have got to be kidding right. This statement "Not voting for Biden is essentially voting for Trump" violates the laws of logic and math. Think about what you are saying. Decrementing the total vote count by one doesn't favor either candidate. That's how math works. Think about it. What if I made that statement to a Trump voter, they could just as easily say "Not voting for Trump is a vote for Biden" Who is right? Do you see the logical problem there?
No, because if Biden doesn't get enough votes, Trump will win. What else do you think would happen?
Maga man
Steve,
The Gaza situation is tragic and it is no wind situation for the U.S. It is clear that you would not vote for Biden, and therefore it sounds like you are looking for a third party candidate who cannot possible win. I am sorry, but doing that is basically a vote for Trump.
Sorry to see MAGA here.
Because you said so?
Watch the debate. It is because he must.
IT’S THE INCUMBENCY, STUPID!!
The constant “stupid” is unseemly, Nancy. You can do better.
Sorry C
He steps down
Trump steps in.
It’s the INCUMBENCY, stupid!!
Well, Nancy, actually President Biden’s incumbency is diminished severely. The Joe Biden that we voted for in 2020 is virtually unrecognizable today. He is frail,halting,querulous, and while his will may be strong,his presentation is anything but. We need a more robust and consistent candidate, one who can be relied on to show up with guns blazing to give it to Trump, and the sad and jerky old fella whomstokd slack-jawed and bewildered on the debate stage is not that guy.
DUH! Men whine while the grassroots efforts of women win elections.
I'm with Michael. I've been a progressive for 40 years. I'm NOT going to vote for Biden. Blaming voters or Michael for the failure of the Democratic party is totally unfair. We deserve better candidates. We can't be expected to vote for a poor candidate because they are a "lesser evil." That is philosophically untenable to me. I reject the framing of every race as a binary choice. We all have choices when voting. We can vote 3rd party or not at all. In my mind, that is the ONLY viable thing to do when both candidates are awful.
You’d vote for Trump who is a felon or RFK Jr who has brain worms over Biden who is a good man and will continue to work to better this country . Seriously? No wonder we are in so much trouble.
Your tactic of alienating progressive voters by blaming us rather than the Democratic party for running a weak candidate (we know he is weak because Trump is historically bad, and he's winning in the polls), is likely to backfire like it did in 2016. We are the same voting block who refused to vote for Clinton when Sanders was railroaded by the DNC. Now, the Dems have also alienated Muslim-Americans by supporting genocide in Gaza. The Dems can't win without us, but go ahead, blame us and condescend. You know nothing about me, yet you are assuming I'm somehow less educated because I have a different opinion.
I'll put my education level on political science and foreign policy up against yours. My shelves are lined with Chomsky, Mearsheimer, Weiner, Chalmers Johnson, and Zinn just to name a few. I have a long post on why Biden's foreign policy has literally led to geopolitical destabilization. What academics inform your stance?
Just a couple of points:
1) Biden was the one who pushed Ukraine/Georgia NATO expansion in 2008-2009 even after the Russians indicated it was a red line and would lead to conflict. So, US foreign policy was a major catalyst for Putin's invasion. I feel sorry for the Ukrainians. The West is using them as fodder for a proxy war to grind down Russia. Ukraine is unlikely to win. There is no strategy in the West for victory. Great powers do not respond well when you engage in military expansion near their borders. The US had a fit during the Cuban Missile Crisis when Russia did this, and it almost caused a nuclear conflict. Putin is going to get what he wants here, so we might as well negotiate a ceasefire and save lives. Putin has no interest in ALL of Ukraine He is NOT going to invade other countries. He wants the eastern oblasts that have Russian-leaning populations.
2) Antagonizing China by way of tariffs and supporting separatists in Taiwan is foolish and a gross overreach by the US. Taiwan belongs to China. It was procured from Japan in 1946 after the war, and then Mao and the communists won an internal civil war in 1949 against Chiang Kai-shek and the ROC. Chiang was exiled on Taiwan with his faction. Imagine if after our Civil War, Alabama, or some Southern state wanted to break free of the US. Now imagine China started supporting them and their independence. Would the US stand for that? That's what is going on here. The tariffs Biden are imposing are to try and prevent China from overtaking the US in technological advancement. How would the US behave if Taiwan tried to cut us off from silicon? The US is messing up global trade and it is affecting allies like Japan.
3. Then we have Gaza, where we are actively supporting the carpet bombing and starvation of a large civilian population. This is a moral red line for many of us. In my opinion, it makes Biden and Blinken war criminals, much like Kissinger and Nixon were.
There are many other reasons for me to dislike Biden, but these are some big ones. If you like these policies, and enjoy global destabilization, then you are more than welcome to support Biden. Don't get angry at those of us who don't thought. Don't condescend and act like we haven't educated ourselves on the issues. That will get the Dems wiped off the map in November.
Steve W—thank you‼️ I’ve studied/read Chomsky/Zinn etc and I’m a Humanitarian & Democratic Socialist who worked hard for Bernie! After he won Nevada in a landslide, I was livid when Jim Clyburn & the DNC immediately dumped him for Biden! But, Biden listened to Bernie and implemented many of his ideas/goals! If Biden didn’t really know how crucial this election is and felt good enough to be President again he wouldn’t! He’s just the POTUS, but has an incredible group of people doing what needs to be done after ALL the damage trump & Co did in just 4 years (even just environmentally)! It’s WAY too late to pick another Dem candidate, anyway!
After ALL you have done for this country & been one of my heroes—STOP this sudden turn around for you!! George S. & his horrible badgering of Biden was unforgivable! Biden is soft spoken (& now even hoarse), he’s intelligent & he CARES, like you do! He CAN beat trump and fuck all these Democratic Congress people back-stabbing him right now ‼️ Do they think one of THEM would be chosen?! They AREN’T PROGRESSIVES—and ANYONE voting for Stein or West are helping trump & Project 2025 win‼️ I’m blaming all of them if trump “wins” ( and YOU) and getting the hell out of this pitifully racist country‼️
Steve,
You clearly were never going to vote for Biden anyway, nor a Dem candidate. So, you sound like you will be voting for a third party candidate, or a write in who have no chance of winning. So, in essence, your vote will not help stop Trump.
Steve, the NATO expansion dates back as policy with the prospect of Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO has antagonized Putin at least since President George W. Bush expressed support for the idea in 2008.
Trump has long worked to hand Ukraine to his puppet master Putin. In fact the “annexation” of Crimea was under Obama.
Putin will take every inch of Ukraine he can and then start again when he has Trump in office
The polls are a fab. Read Polling 202 on WhoWhatWhy
There it is Cathy…
Our democracy is at stake here! People who don’t vote for President Biden or don’t vote at all, are aiding the conman in becoming a dictator! Vote Blue!💙🇺🇸
So you will put Trump in the White House by not voting! Project 2025 is not progressive.
EXACTLY, Cathy‼️
I totally agree with you. I’m disappointed in Michael’s stance on this, as well as some celebrities. People need to shut the hell up and keep their negative remarks to themselves! We need to come together and VOTE BLUE for President Biden to save our democracy. He’s definitely up to the task and has so much more he wants to do for the American people.💙🇺🇸
Michael, I can’t believe how patronizing you are being! I usually agree with you, but this is completely out of line. No one is forcing Joe Biden to stay in the race. There is no elder abuse. He is his own agent. Get a life!
Did you watch the entIre debate and/or Stephanopoulos interview? I did, and was shaken to my core. And I am angry.
I am angry that Stepahopoulus was such a jerk. He was arrogant and tried to bully Biden repeating questions over and over again trying to get an answer HE wanted instead of accepting Biden's answers. It was harrasement, not a fair and respectful interview. It was infuriating.
I use to respect Stephanopoulus, but not any more since has clearly gone right-wing since he joined ABC. What a sellout he has become.
Yes! Yes! HCR, Allen Lichman, Robert Hubbell know their shit all say
ITS THE INCUMBENCY, STUPID!
We NEED Joe or it’s WH to the Agent Orange
I disagree with Michael’s view, vehemently. No one can do better than Biden. Some hack democrat cannot replace his life experience and his wisdom. Sure he’s lost a step: he’s not a graceful speaker. So-called Liberals, Progressives and Democrats, calm the fuck down.
Would you want the frail, halting, slack-jawed Biden that came to the debate, involved in a national crisis? I wouldn’t. And there’s no guarantee that it is a one-off. In fact, the Stephanopoulos debate suggests that it is not.
If you think Trump would be any better, God bless you. But I'm still voting for Joe.
If he is still on the ballot, he will get my vote. But…for his sake and all of ours, I hope that he isn’t. Did you SEE the debate?
Yes I did. And whether he is still in the race in November or it is someone else, he or that other person will get my vote AGAINST Trump.
First, the answer is yes, I will vote for Biden all day, any day, and always. He is a great president, honest, dedicated unlike Trump who is a lying, cheating, rapist, and felon who also is mentally ill. What about Trump's "shark's and sinking boats with battery's" diatribe. Why are we not talking about that?.
But further, do you think Trump lying every time he opened his mouth at the debate and veering off on tangents to avoid answering the questions did better? No, he didn't.
Also, in case you haven't heard, Joe's poll numbers went UP in swing states after the debate. So, it is not helpful to over-react to one debate when Biden was exhausted from traveling all over the country and time zones for the weeks before the debate and having a cold. No one half his age could have done well under those conditions.
That was more than a cold. I respect the President, but he is not right.
Yes, it was exhaustion too from traveling all over the country for the weeks prior to the debate.
No. Wasn't he at Camp David for about a week preparing for the debate? Some people said he showed evidence of over-preparation. I saw that too --he was regurgitating too many numbers without putting any heart behind it. Stats are fine but at some point you have to argue why your policies are better than the other guy's.
Trump had been traveling all over the country too, and he was in fighting mode on debate night. I despise the man, but his energy made the contrast with Biden all the more painful. We need a candidate that will make Trump look like the failing old man that he is. Biden said that he has not even watched the debate. How will he correct a trajectory that he won’t even look at?
Actually Trump was playing golf far more than campaigning, while Biden was running the country and dealing with all the critical issues facing us, and also flying all over the country to campaign.
Trump is mentally ill which is part of why he is a megalomaniac. Trump is also a convicted rapist and felon, bigot and traitor.
In contrast, Joe Biden is a honest, dedicated, moral leader, who has been doing an incredible job as our president.
Trump would sell out the U.S. in a heartbeat to Russia or any enemy for his personal gain. That would never happen with Biden who is dedicated to protecting the U.S.
Do you know that for certain?
I'm a progressive who voted for Biden the last time. I will NOT be voting for him again. His foreign policy on Ukraine, China, and especially Israel is a major problem for me. His continued support of genocide in Gaza is a moral red line. His cognitive problems are also an issue. I know many progressives in my swing state who are NOT voting for Biden and did the last time.
Read Project 2025. That is what you will be voting for, and it is very scary. Federal workers fired so Trump can replace them with people loyal to him. No barrier between the President and the justice dept, CIA, and FBI. He is very clear about his vindictiveness and desire to put opponents in politics and the media in jail. He recently said he wanted to use a military tribunal to charge Liz Cheney with treason.
He wants to replace the income tax with a 10% tariff on all imports. 16 Nobel Prize-winning economists issued a statement saying his policies would cause inflation to skyrocket and wreck the economy.
He want to arrest and detain all illegal immigrants, sending the military to take them from their families and jobs. He plans to incarcerate them until he can send them to their country of origin, even if they were children and know little of the language or culture. Arresting all these people would be a nightmare - and very detrimental to the economy.
I could go on. He wants to reduce social security, Medicare, and the ACA.
And if he gets a Republican Congress, he plans to sign the laws they will pass to make anti-abortion laws national.
The man is a convicted sexual abuser, a convicted financial fraud, a convicted felon who lied when he claimed his payments to keep Stormy quiet just before the 2016 election were legal bills.
Project 2025 was written by the Heritage Foundation, which gave us the radical MAGA justices on SCOTUS, and they used several of his aides from the White House. Doesn’t know them? Hardly. And if he doesn’t know what’s in them how can he say they are foolish?
There’s a good summary on Wiki.
Hey, as long as all of you who won't be voting for him this time around are OK with the results. Many of us are not, however. And our gay and trans friends and the many who will be deported will not be safe, either. Not voting for Biden will not hurt Biden, but it WILL hurt a lot of other people!
I am. Nothing Trump did was any worse than supporting genocide in Gaza for no other reason than to secure money from AIPAC during campaign season. Biden has shown he's also as mentally incompetent as Trump. I'll let other people decide. I don't want to be responsible for voting for either. They are both awful.
Steve,
Again, the Gaza situation is tragic but if you think that Trump will do a better job handling that you really are not in reality. Trump has made it very clear that he has no sympathy for the Palestinians.
So, you are only making that situation worse if you don't vote for Biden, since not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump the bigot, and convicted rapist and felon.
Jared Kushner was the one responsible for moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, infuriating the Palestinians. Trump refused to answer the question at the debate about the "two-state" solution, pivoting instead to whining (AGAIN) about the "southern border", which has nothing to do with Palestine. (That was the only question I wanted him to answer, and he didn't answer it -- because he wanted everyone to continue being mad at Biden about this. He didn't want to answer it because he hates the Palestinians. ) Biden is not responsible for what Bibi is doing to Gaza. If you think Trump will be any better, you are seriously delusional
Not to decide is to decide.
Here's the formal logic showing "Not to decide is to decide" makes no sense.
Let's define our terms:
Let D(x) represent "x decides"
Let !D(x) represent "x does not decide"
The statement "to not decide is to decide" can be formalized as:
!D(x) ⇔ D(x)
This statement is claiming that not deciding is equivalent to deciding. In formal logic, this is a contradiction because it asserts that a proposition and its negation are equivalent.
We can prove this is a contradiction using a truth table:
D(x) !D(x) !D(x)⇔D(x)
T F F
F T F
As we can see, the statement is false for all possible values of D(x).
We can also use the law of non-contradiction, which states that a proposition and its negation cannot both be true at the same time and in the same sense.
Formally:
!(P ∧ !P)
Our statement violates this fundamental logical principle.
Another way to show the logical inconsistency is through a proof by contradiction:
Assume !D(x) ⇔ D(x) is true
This means !D(x) → D(x) and D(x) → !D(x)
From !D(x) → D(x), we can derive D(x)
But from D(x) → !D(x), we can also derive !D(x)
This leads to D(x) ∧ !D(x), which is a contradiction
Conclusion: The statement "to not decide is to decide" is logically inconsistent and can be classified as nonsense from a formal logic perspective.
Someone needs a formal logic class. While that has a nice ring to it, it is nonsensical.
" And our gay and trans friends and the many who will be deported will not be safe, either. Not voting for Biden will not hurt Biden, but it WILL hurt a lot of other people!"
And you're OK with that. I'll say no more.
Why aren’t you worried about Trump who is actually much sicker than President Biden might be? If he is not as unwell as you believe is it not humiliating to be told to take a test, especially when his opponent is obviously in worse shape and way more dangerous?
You can't tell me that supporting a genocide in Gaza is somehow morally better than anything Trump has done. Biden lost me with his pro-Israel policy, especially when we know it is primarily driven by political expediency. The Dems need AIPAC money in an election year!
The Gaza situation is tragic and a no win situation for the U.S. Netenyahu is the problem, not Biden, so you really should focus your frustration on Bibi, not Joe. You clearly have never had any intent on voting for Biden anyway, or any Dem. So, your choices are some third party candidate which has absolutely no chance of winning, and therefore helping Trump.
When will trump be harassed, harangued, and forced to drop out of the race? This is so one sided I can't believe it. I'm sure behind the scenes the President is being evaluated by experts in his personal quarters where rampant speculation and criticism will not be aroused to become worse than it already is. The President and those surrounding him are not stupid and he loves this country more than himself. He will do what is right IF he becomes incapacitated. I swear in today's setting FDR would be pushed over in his wheelchair and scathingly unmercifully insulted. VP Harris will be available in Biden's second term. Why rush to judgement against a President who CAN BE TRUSTED WITH THE OFFICE and give pass after pass after pass to the maniacal dangerous trump who is surrounded by incompetent traitors as his support group of cheerleaders. . Panic mode and changing horses in the middle of the stream would play right into the Right's hands. Take the Democratic boot off President Biden's neck to let him breathe!
amen
Well, we got 4 months to convince the voters who were ambivalent until they saw the debate. More debates ? More interviews ? What?
Michael, I am so disappointed with you joining in with the media to destroy Biden, and ruin any chance of the Democrats defeating Trump. . I was not a Biden fan, but after he won I saw that he was the right choice. He has accomplished remarkable things, especially given the stalwart Republican opposition. Yes, the Dems should have been positioning other younger candidates in the last 4 years, but this is where we are now. To change horses in mid stream would be political suicide and fracture the Dem party, thereby ensuring a Trump win.
I am sad to say as a white woman, I know my people, and this country will not elect a Black female, or any female of Black person for that matter.
Let's quit whining and get behind the candidate chosen by our party, just as the Republicans do their crazy dangerous candidate who is never questioned on anything. The stakes are too high for us Dems to be turning on one another. It's playing right into Trump's hand. Who by the way is only 3 years younger than Biden and batshit crazy.
We elected Barack Obama….
and look at the horrific backlash. That won't happen again for a very long time.
I just saw President Biden speaking to George Stephanaupolis adamantly insisting he is fine and needing no further tests. I am afraid his ego is doing this not other people.
I cannot imagine a job more taxing than Joe's. The job ages you. It did not help that Joe was crossing time zones repeatedly right before the debate. That said, shouldn't he have known what he was walking into on 6/27, and rested up? It is just possible the 45 camp planned the event when they knew he would have conflicting obligations IN other time zones at or about the debate time. Should not the people looking out for Joe have known what he was walking into? He may not be solely responsible for that disaster, but that's what was perceived.
It is his aides at fault who pushed for this debate when he was swamped already running the country and campaigning. But it happened and we need to put it behind us and get behind Biden and get the Biden - Harris campaign back on track.
Letting maga plan the debate was crazy he should have never done it - its all ego. He cannot let go of presidency sad
Right he should not have done it - he has not accepted his limitations making it all so much worse. He looks like a doddering old man. Not a good look
Biden is doing what all of his supporters including me want him to do, which is stay in the race. It is too late to change horses at this point and Joe has been doing a incredible job, as he will continue to.
Everyone needs to just stop the "hand-wringing" after the debate that did not go well. The first debate has not gone well, historically, for many incumbent presidents, but who still went on to win, like Obama.
No ALL of his supporters agree with you - I am 81 nyself and I know my limitations. And accept them. I am a former dancer and I stopped performing at 60 because I knew I could no longer do my best and didnt want to look foolish-he is refusing to let go at everyones expense and its very selfish. And he now looks like an arrogant fool. No I dont support trump