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Thanks, Michael. There is a different aspect to this story that I believe needs to be mentioned. The simple recipe for bringing down powerful nations and empires is to enrage them. When Gavrilo Princip shot crown prince Franz Ferdinand in 1914, the Austrian empire had hundreds of options for dealing with the problem. Unfortunately, they chose war, and the rest is history. Likewise, 9/11 was a horrible terrorist attack, but the main damage it did to the USA was self-inflicted. Israel now seems to be repeating the mistakes of previous empires. Nobody is denying Israel's right to defend itself, but unfortunately it failed to do so October 7th. Nobody denies Israel the right to punish the perpetrators of the horrific terrorist attack. However, killing innocent civilians as an act of revenge is madness.

“An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.”

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I don’t understand the USA being damaged by 9/11 as “self-inflicted”. Totally at a loss over this comment. I worked in the 2WTC and have no idea what you’re talking about.

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Henrick is speaking to our disgraceful response. Somehow, Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice convinced our gullible citizens and Tony Blair that the thing to do was make war on an innocent nation, Iraq. Brown University estimated at least 308,000 lives were needlessly lost because of our war-like culture. But this is all for another discussion. Now,. back to Israel and Palestine.

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Don't forget the Patriot Act.

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The Patriot Act shows clearly how insanity is the child of ignorance. Our Congresses and Presidents do not understand how unconstitutional and unjust the Patriot Act is. The Founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves. You can’t be just by passing a law to allow you to be unjust when you want to be.

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an innocent nation?? Saddam was a sadistic killer sitting on the worlds second largest oil supply rather than be a good trading partner he was a sadistic murderer who gassed people and was setting up labs for WMD. Pre emptive strike was so good. Read in Newsweek he like to take Viagra while he watched people's eyes being gouged out. Steve you are twisted. They are still an enemy now even after they were liberated

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Innocent of attacking America on 9/11. That is the subject of the side conversation.

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Seems like the key term is "rather than be a good trading partner."

If the US is so concerned with punishing leaders it doesn't approve of, why doesn't it attack North Korea?

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What’s with the comment 9/11 was self inflicted????

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Terrorist attacks are always carried out to provoke an irrational response by the powerful. Gavrilo Princip fired one bullet and took down four empires, which is a decent return on investment. Likewise, the purpose of 9/11 was to provoke the US into shooting itself in the foot and the US government swallowed the bait. How can it be smart to do exactly what the terrorists want you to do?

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Henrik Nordborg -

I don't know WWI ourstory - why it happened when you say the Austrians had hundreds of other options. Maybe name a couple.

I do know about 9/11/2001, and you say "but the main damage it did to the USA was self-inflicted." Again - you don't explain what you mean by that.

Without going into how and why Israel was even created, and all the wrongs that occurred in the process, and since then, you say "Nobody is denying Israel's right to defend itself, but unfortunately it failed to do so October 7th." Actually, a bunch of countries and peoples are openly calling for the genocide against Jews, and the end to Israel. I guess you don't hear them or read about them.

You are right that the Israelis really blew their border security in the time leading up to OCT 7, 2023. It makes no sense to me how they let that happen. Unfortunately, Hamas and Hezbollah are like mold that is growing on our food. We can cut that bad part out, or throw out the whole dish. It's a shame the good has to suffer for the bad, but what is the choice?

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What I hear you talking about is how the “Leaders” of countries take it upon themselves to make decisions as if everyone in their country is represented by them and feels as they feel. And that is flat out wrong. Like our own Republican Party, only a very few hundred thousand actually feel that their nefarious leaders are right. All the rest of the country is so focussed on heir own self interests that they either don’t know what their leaders are doing or don’t think it will effect them. Going to war for most countries is not something that the average bloke on the street is thinking about. And in the US, we don’t have the draft anymore so no one seems to care if we go to war because no one has skin-in-the-game except the families of those that volunteered…. Funny how there were no protests from all the citizenry and young people during the 1991 - present wars that the US has been involved with… But it is clear that authoritarian governments and Right wing governments backed by nationalistic doctrines and fear have a way of moving their countries to war and the needless death and destruction of the innocent and helpless.

So please let us stop acting like all the people in a country are supporting a war when it is really only a few thousand idiot leaders and supporters. It is not Israel or Palestine, it is their leaders who are at fault here, again.

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And since Hamas embeds within Palestinian society, we shouldn't retaliate? This has been going on since we left Gaza. Time to finish it.

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Thank you for speaking out...the oppressed became the oppressors. Being anti-Zionist is not anti-Semitic. Israelis do not have a right to Palestinians lands and their property. Yet we have stood silently on the sidelines for no less than 7 decades while Israel continued to overrun and expand beyond what was given to them in 1948. That gift was at the hands of Great Britain and the US who wanted to break up the last of the Ottoman Empire and they found Zionism to be a very convenient friend. Every action has a reaction. We’ve allowed Israel to marginalize and violently expel Palestinians from their homes with no retribution from the U.S. since 1967. We’re been supporting an apartheid state and now we’re supporting genocide. Where is our humanity?

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But the Palestinians are not the indigenous blood of these territories. The Israelis are not either. So why would you choose one invading group over another? Why with no understanding of a thousands of years long conflict would you choose a side? And if you did... I dare you, choose to wake up tomorrow a Palestinian woman or an Israeli woman. Genocide has been raging throughout the Middle East for thousands of years. And I doubt you've even heard of the most persecuted group, who is richest in the most indigenous blood. Yet you pick sides?

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No race or civilization is a. Indigenous blood of any part of this planet or any planet. We are all part of a living universe/multiverse with a purpose to add positive, creative bliss to the ethereal source energy. A massive change is imminent.

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Drew, that's good and necessary answer. People moved about this earth as long as people existed and to entitle any of them to any part of it due to their ancestry makes no sense. Nor does the proposition that the god of one group gave them a specific part of the earth and thus, their rights to that part of the earth supersede rights of all people, even those who do not subscribe to that particular god or any god at all.

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You write from the top of the mountain while most are in the marketplace. Still, from a place of love, which goes to all not some.

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https://www.iwgia.org/en/palestine/5142-iw-2023-palestine.html

- the IWGIA’s report on Palestine of how the indigenous tribes have been and are being treated by the Israeli govt

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What's the historic limit to claims of land ownership on planet earth ? No beings on this planet have a right to own any part of it.

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So, you then you do support conquerors invading and committing genocide? Because that's what your statement means. Indigenous Americans, Africans and others included. You just claimed no one is indigenous and has a right to any part of this planet. That literally means no one has a right to live anywhere and be kept alive. You're ignoring the reality that the world has a violent and bloody history of peaceful agriculturally focused groups being slaughtered by invading nomadic murderous pillagers, who destroy farm lands and keep going, during every major to minor period of climate change.

When a group of people have lived in the same place under their same ancestors' artifacts with proof of at least 30k years, peacefully, and in harmony with nature, they focus on developing civilization, agriculture, education, the arts, health, cerebrating life, and spirituality. This ends when desperate uncivilized invaders commit genocide. It works because settled indigenous peoples don't focus on training for war. They trade with their neighbors. The excuse of the slaughtering invaders is always what you just stated, "No one has a right to this land, to their ancient farms, to their children's well-being... If we can move in and murder and steal, survival of the fittest... then we have the right to do as we please, because we can."

Nice argument.

But some humans have evolved beyond the cave man mentality... And that's the real issue, some have not.

There is right and wrong.

Claiming no one has a right to continue to live peacefully and in harmony with nature, focused on good things not war, where their ancestors have developed civilization since the beginning of humanity... Is wrong.

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Zionism is the ideology that's the basis of all evil that some humans do to other humans that happen to be different from each other.

It matters not, the variations between those humans, it's all based on the defining ideology of zionism. Nazism, fascism, communism all for sure ,but even our precious capitalism uses the rabid nationalism, the fear mongering, the fabricateddevisive distractions that drive the tiny wedges into the exploited fractures that expand them into the canyons of conflicts that the zionist media outlets that point out and expand the faulty system we all seem to rely on to support our cognitive dissonance.

In US we, as serf class wage slaves, have been "managed" like a herd of sheeple to be raised to work to support the international Central Banking System that our nation ,in 1945, was assigned the sweet, profitable duty of muscle, after the UK lost it's ability to further facilitate the complete treasure harvestation of every Serf class wage slave on Earth.

As for Theodor Hertzl's dream...let's not further that crapola anylonger.

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Hamas is well funded and they could have built hospitals, schools, water works, housing but instead they bought weapons, land mines, rockets, missiles, instead of making peoples lives better, they slaughter them, much like the nazis.

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Also nazis were zionists that killed jews..now likud party is Jewish party that kills a Semitic tribe of palestinians

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excellent YOU NAILED IT!! Read this comment traitor Moore

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Hamas is a political party...nothing more

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It's a bunch of barbaric monsters who kill their own people when convenient, throw gay people off of roofs and call for the killing of all Jews in the world. Is that a political party?

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Yet the licud party has been exterminating the Semitic tribe of palestinians since 1945...are you not aware? Cognitive dissonance is in you...try harder to ignore uncomfortable truths.

Zionism created nazism and now zionism has created a small rabid nationalist licud party.

Zionists killing a Semitic tribe...what a cruel reversal of history

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Wow so much antisemitism dripping from your words.

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Nothing I said was antisemitism.

I'm antizionist...100%

Just like many Jewish people.

You have no idea what antisemitism is. Palestinians are also a Semitic tribe

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But they will not call themselves, Semitic. Because they do not believe they are equal to any Jew, but better than any Jew. And just like our own clown martyr, they perceive themselves as martyrs, everyone and everything is against them!!! Whaaa whaaa whaaa!!!

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Wow...when a Muslim dies they become martyrs...not before death. Learn first...speak later.

There is only one race of humanoids on earth...we are all part of it.

Stop allowing yourself to be brainwashed into thinking you are somehow a better human than anyother human.

Zionism does that to you nomatter what you think.

Pick a more compassionate ideology

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And you have no idea what Zionism is.

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Oh he'll yes I do...you think it's Theodor Hertzl's dream of a greater Israel...that was settled in 1948...but I'm talking about the current "ideology" of zionism...the foundation of fascism, nazism, communism and capitalism. Greed, rabid nationalism, divisive distraction by living to the Serf class(you) repeatedly till you will do anything for "da murder land".

Licud partynis the nazi party of Israel and half of all jews know it. You just still dreaming.

Go search for" Theodor Hertzl, Greater Israel map"

Now claim you've been semantically persecuted while Israeli IDF murders another Semitic tribe of Palastinians.

You are a brainwashed pitiful sheeple. I'm a well informed earthling

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Very few Jews have that opinion. How many of us in the world do you think there are anyway?

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There is only one humanoid race on earth...but the cults have claimed they are somehow different.

Zionism is in you. Wear your badge proudly.

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You wolld have fit in nicely with certain people in the 1930s. Too bad you missed your calling.

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Actually both are. Recent DNA evidence from Canaanite burial grounds shows that both the Palestinians and Jews world-wide are descended from them.

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Yes, we Israelis (Jews) are indigenous to Israel, Judea (what do you think Judea means?) and Samaria.

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Who do you think has more indigenous blood than the Israelis?

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I think you forget how the war started in 1967!!!! The British drew the map for a home for Jews during WW1. But they never acted or stood behind the Jews for 30+ years, always taking the side of the Palestinian. Finally after WW11, the Jews took it upon themselves to make a country laid out by the UK. The Arabs have never accepted Jews or Israel and they never will!

I remember when Israel gave Gaza back to the Arabs. They left homes, fields, green houses too many to count, why did the Palestinian not use them but instead destroyed all the assets? Because they were built by Jews!!! How insane is that? But it goes to the mindset of the Palestinian/Arabs.

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Palestinians are Semites just like the Jews. Palestinians are not Arabs. That’s why the Arabs: Egyptians etc are sitting back watching the show of the Semites destroy themselves. Heartbreaking.

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Why in the world would you say that Palestinians are not Arabs? Just because other Arabs oppose them? When Iraq invaded Kuwait, did that mean that Kuwaitis were not Arabs?

"Semite" does not mean a resident of the area of Israel/Palestine. Arabs and Jews are Semites. The term antisemitism is a Victorian euphemism for hatred of Jews. There are many who want the term replaced by "Jew hatred." We don't have a word for hatred of Blacks or Asians or even Muslims, why not abolish the use of "antisemitic" as a single word.

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Maybe "Jewphobia," like Islamophobia?

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Egypt Sadaat’s widow in an interview said P. are not Arabs and we don’t want them in Egypt. Today Egypt is not allowing them to emigrate to Egypt. Other Arab leaders have said the same. Arabs view P. as ethnically the same as the Jews. I don’t understand it.

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Yes, very weird. Yasser Arafat's ancestry was mostly Egyptian. I understand that for political reasons most Arab countries want nothing to do with Palestinians except as immigrant labor, no different from, say, Filipinos. Maybe it's therefore necessary to deny their Arabhood.

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If you are referring to the Balfour Declaration, you should recall that it specified a secular state with equal rights for Jews and Muslims, a provision that was immediately rejected by the Zionists. It is thus ingenious to cite the British map drawing exercise as precedence for any Israeli claims. Moreover, like the Sykes-Picot Agreement there was no affirmation of the inhabitants for the outsiders' decision.

We are still suffering for the thoughtless, arrogant and vindictive decisions of the victors of WW1. If ever there were to be a blueprint for what not to do, that's it.

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excellent points Nancy! Moore needs to read this he will totter and fall

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Lies. Gaza should look likeDubai now but for the withholding of any funds from obscene rich oil nations who sadistically withheld helping them. There were no Jews left in Gaza after 1967 and they did nothing but vote in hamas who abuse them to this day and they deserve it They are all evil haters

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Being anti-Zionist is indeed antisemitic. It's actually Jew hatred. Since Jerusalem is in our holy book hundreds of times you cannot separate one from the other. Plus the Hamas charter calls not just to kill all Israelis but all Jews. We are indigenous to Israel the Arabs are not. They are indigenous to Saudi Arabia and are colonizers in every other place they are found.

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Think you need to research the history of Gaza as you are patently incorrect in your recitation of history. Wiki it and you can read 4000 years of turmoil

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wikipedia is no longer to be trusted as a valid source of accurate info... according to one of the co-founders

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I suspect Netanyahu KNEW but decided not to respond because he saw a chance maybe to put a stop to the masses of objections to his policies? I think also that this is a geopolitical war between Russia China Iran and the USA, being enacted in Ukraine and now in The Gaza Strip!

There is zero will to find the correct solution viz the Palestinians. We’re only here because the Brits made absolutely sure the path forward for the two tribes in that area was going to be bloody. The Brits did the same in India. Once the writing on the wall was obvious, the retreat by the Brits made damned sure peace was not obtainable.

I’m a staunch pacifist. These days for every child killed in any “war” hundreds of terrorists will be the result.

There’s no sides here but one: humanity.

HATE

it has caused a lot of problems in this world, but it has not solved one yet.

- Maya Angelou

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This is exactly what I thought. Netanyahu is punishing the dissenting voters. Exactly what Trump has planned for the USA, and what Putin has also done. They are all being rewarded by the weapons/arms MIC protection rackets.

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While you make some strategic points this is not about statistics it’s about human beings and you’re are seemingly trying equalize Waffen SS Hamas with Israel who are NOT specifically targeting women and children for torture, rape and murder while purposefully desecrating their bodies.

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I’ve read a lot of WWII & Churchill biographies. The Jews were considered a problem much like African Americans. The Brits - not all of course- wanted them out of Europe. And knowing there would be conflicts would always allow the Brits back in. BP stands for British petroleum. Watch Lawrence of Arabia. The whole area is a British concept not very well conceived - on purpose.

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I cannot believe that this was not known but will we ever know that?

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Michael. Thank you for that article and the time you took to pen these words. To make things more obvious for some people who see one thing and infer another, your words were not in favor of any one party but in favor of non-violence in general. You provided reasons for Israel not to go on a revenge campaign but rather to simply defend itself. Unfortunately, the warmongers in this world, as you so rightly pointed out, are never satisfied with that ideology. We are fast moving towards a sorry end, as human race I meant. God help us all.

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Many people who are stuck in 3rd dimensional thinking cannot function beyond a simple two directional action.

Mass media is fanning the flames of division in every possible conflict on the planet.

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Mass media owned by right wing billionaires guarantees we will not have a source for just straight forward information. I can’t do anything about mass media, but I can research on my own

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You seem to “lump” “ALL PALESTINIANS” with HAMAS. The Israelis are NOT trying to exterminate the Palestinians off the earth. Hamas has relentlessly tried to do this to the Israelis and the Israelis are targeting HAMAS. Hamas use humans (their own, and now their more than 150 hostages) as human shields. Hamas uses hospitals and schools as places where they hide their weapons and themselves. Hamas BEGAN THIS TRAGEDY by swooping in on gliders and busting through fences,indiscriminately killing any and ALL JEWS they could find. They even plucked them off in porta-potties at the music festival. They tossed grenades in shelters where innocent people were hiding for cover. THEY INDISCRIMINATELY KILLED JEWS, NO MATTER HOW YOUNG, OLD, PREGNANT, OR DISABLED THEY MAY BE. The ISRAELIS ARE INDEED holding of their attack, allowing the innocent Palestinians to retreat. Israelis MUST and SHALL thread this needle carefully. UNLIKE HAMAS, THEY VALUE LIFE, - THEIR OWN, and THOSE OF INNOCENT PEOPLE. However, it’s time to rid Hamas completely. Hamas began this attack, yet again. If they murdered your family so brutally Michael, would you be so forgiving? Hamas ARE NOT ALL PALESTINIANS any more than HEZBOLLAH are ALL LEBANESE.

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Thank you. Can’t believe Michael has the audacity to try to equalize what happened on October 7 and then basically says Israel is committing genocide shame on him! I have admired him for his movie, sicko, and the others, but it greatly saddens me that he and others that should know better are excusing Hamas, which means the word “never” whose main purpose is extermination not just of Israel but of all Jews. Thank you to those who responded in writing letting him know that his response has the moral rectitude of jello and I will say that his article tries and fails to equalize (like the students at Harvard) the behavior of Hamas with Israel which is blatantly false.

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While I agree with the point that Hamas started this, and they do not represent all of the Palestinians in Gaza, Israel is carrying out collective punishment by stopping the flow of water, food, fuel and power to the Strip. It is also killing civilians and destroying homes. These are war crimes, under the Geneva Conventions.

The sheer scale of the assault, coupled with the fact that all 10 crossings in or out of Gaza are closed (9 controlled directly by Israel, the 10th held by Egypt has been damaged by bombing and remains under threat of further attack by Israel), means that the population of 2.3 million people is extremely vulnerable and fast running out of very basic necessities for life. This in a place where 47% of the population are children.

What Hamas did was, and still is, wrong. I don’t understand how this response from Israel is going to return any hostages alive, when they are as likely to be injured or killed in the bombing as their captors are. I also don’t understand how this collective punishment is supposed to deter Hamas (or Hezbollah) in future, as surely it is just traumatising more young people, leading to the next generation in the cycle of hate.

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Zionists "started" this by killing palestinians and driving them from their property. Did you know that any palestinians can't sell their property to other palestinians?

Are you aware that if any palestinians commit ANY crime (a teen throwing a rock at an idf conscript) they go to the home, remove the occupants and bulldoze the buildings, cut down the olive groves and seize the property?

Denialism is the cousin of zionism.

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good they are troublemaking evil doers belong in the dark underworld they rejected every peace deal liar you are

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Who you calling, "they"?

Who you calling "liar"?

How would you know either?

Sheeple say,"bah,bah,bah"

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How old are you?

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Not all aid has been cut off including water and yes m, it is a small amount but to say all aid was cut off is not entirely accurate as a very small amount came through Egypt.

But guess what? The UN put out a tweet complaining about its humanitarian fuel for such things as the pumping of water being stolen by the “Hamas Waffen SS” Hamas.

Hamas uses its people as human shields and you seem to think that this is some type of small terrorist incident but that is wrong..... Hamas declared war on Israel with its attack and Israel has declared war on the Palestinian Waffen SS Hamas. Nobody is happy about this but Israel is trying to be as careful as it can be when it’s responding to an attack on it’s very existence.

Your statement seems to ignore these basic facts.

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I saw Prime Minister Berscoloni in Charlie Rose years ago. PMB said the Palestinians have been camping out for 3 generations- the interview was approximately 20 years ago. Saying Palestinians started it is like saying Africa Americans started it. No justice. No peace.

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Nobody is taking into account the MUCH bigger picture of Islam - the book has clear ends in mind - that of removing any & all humans that do not follow it's demands & succumb to it's authority - these terrorists are followers of THAT Islam - they believe ALL non -Muslims are to be exterminated in the name of their God. No matter how much pandering & 'partnering' to allow for peace happens, that end result is what they are aiming for, and peace is not part of the equation at all. Hence even as ordinary, peaceful Muslims go about their little lives that hell-bent 'Godly' ambition is driving what the extremists do. So - never be surprised at what pops up next as their psychological status demands we never trust them since 'the book' tells them everything is 'ok' as long as it furthers the ultimate purpose ! It's dangerous stuff, and the West does not realize just how dangerous they are ! I'm not sure about there being an actual 'satan' persona, but it certainly looks like the concept has legs to me !

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All religions and dogmatic beliefs state this type of monopolistic worthiness doctrine, which only purpose is to divide humanity and continue to play into the fear mongers plan.

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Not true.

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The basic message of all religions is do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The other big message is we all have the power of determining our own existence by avoiding falling into the brainwash trap of fear and negativity. The real source information energy is accessible and if humanity can break the brainwash cycle long enough to tap into their fractal connection they'd realize the purpose of existence. These messages were clear in the unedited versions of most recorded or scripted versions of man's origin. These facts were redacted by corrupt religious and political criminal elites who saw the need to control dominate and enslave humanity for individual personal egotistical gain.

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Well, someone had to go there. Unfortunately, there are good hearted people in every group. Remember The Women's March, where Israeli Jewish women and Palestinian Muslim women marched together for peace.

But as you've pointed out, the leadership throughout Islam, never condemns extremism... So how is that not condoning it? Mohammed's message was intended during war times... not to be creating endless wars to have relevance. Yet the misinterpretations are worshipped by the leadership of Muslim extremists.

The Jews have often been the only allies to the Middle Eastern Christians, who are the richest in indigenous blood, the most persecuted and devoutly teach, "though shalt not kill"... Yet the West ignores their existence, even as they go extinct.

The world is not educated enough to pick sides in this thousands of year old conflict. Yet if one had to choose to wake up tomorrow a woman or girl in either Palestine or Israel...

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The world is not educated enough is so true. I fear mankind as a species is not capable of the level of education you call for. It's at most an ideal to hope and strive for.

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Religion Huh? The root of so much human conflict and suffering. I have to wonder if it's incompatible with peace on earth.

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Moore needs to get his arse over to Gaza they will exterminate him readily He's a Christian infidel and they are coming for the what they refer to as The Sunday people He is blind to this for some reason

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Michael shared more of the history that led to this hideously bloody conflict--click on links. The more we learn, we see the world as less black and white. Unless people learn what really happened in 1948, and then '67, and '73, and so on....

One example here, are you aware of Bibi's attempt to strengthen Hamas in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority? As a result, Hamas felt deeper distrust of Israel, and the PA lost more power to govern and help the Palestinian people. All of this was for Bibi to strengthen his position. Did you follow the links on those who were complicit in Rabin's assassination? (now in power). No one is excusing Hamas, or suggesting equivalency of Hamas and Israel.

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His implication that Palestinians never hurt any Jews is ludicrous, too. He must have forgotten that Hamas is Palestinian--and the Palestinians elected Hamas.

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Thank you for bucking the tide here. Michael's piece is an insult and he is doing just what Hamas wants: calling for a cease fire while they run back to hide behind civilians . The war is with Hamas, not Palestinians. If Israel wanted genocide, there would be no warnings or chance to evacuate, just carpet bombing. Hamas hides behind these civilians and cannot be treated at freedom fighters; they have also kept Gazans under their dictatorial rule since 2005. The tragedy here is that starting with Arafat, these terrorist groups discovered how their attacks work to FRACTURE the western world's liberals by casting Israel as the uniformed armed oppressor and the violent militants as the oppressed.

Of course Bibi and his cohorts have only enflamed the situation with punishing policy but what Western Minds don't get is that before you can have meaningful peace you need to eliminate these kinds of terrorists. You don't negotiate with a Hamas whose charter is the elimination of Israel outright.

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You and many others refuse to see the actual facts, Israel has made Palestine the largest open air prison in the world, all Palestinians are prisoners, when Israel says we are giving the Palestinians warnings to go somewhere else before they bomb their homes, just where do you think Palestinians are going to go? Israel is not bombing just Humus, they are wiping out entire Palestinian families, families who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel. There is no justification to kill innocent Israelis either. The thing is you and others are ignoring the crimes Israel was committing against the Palestinians for decades, Making their country a prison, Israel wipes out entire Palestinian settlements, Israeli snipers kill thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children each year, Palestinians only get 4 hours of electricity per day, very little food, almost no medical care. So now people like you just ignore the facts so you can justify your own bias point of view.

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I disagree Michael, it seems to me if the Palestinians want peace they are the ones who need to rid themselves of Hamas.

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Lies saw photos today of Gaza tree lined boulevards not bad housing overweight women fed well they are losers no one wants them Gaza should look like Dubai at this point but the oil sheiks withheld funding them deliberately go blame them you loser

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You and many others refuse to see the actual facts, Israel has made Palestine the largest open air prison in the world, all Palestinians are prisoners, when Israel says we are giving the Palestinians warnings to go somewhere else before they bomb their homes, just where do you think Palestinians are going to go? Israel is not bombing just Humus, they are wiping out entire Palestinian families, families who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel. There is no justification to kill innocent Israelis either. The thing is you and others are ignoring the crimes Israel was committing against the Palestinians for decades, Making their country a prison, Israel wipes out entire Palestinian settlements, Israeli snipers kill thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children each year, Palestinians only get 4 hours of electricity per day, very little food, almost no medical care. So now people like you just ignore the facts so you can justify your own bias and prejudice point of view.

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Israel has the best intelligence in the world. the videos they have zoom in close ups. I find it very hard to believe that the Israelis can’t find and arrest the bad actors. Actually impossible to believe. They’re hiding? Where are the hiding? In a ghetto monitored by the Israelites. And the Israelis can’t find them? Do you believe that? Really?

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The network of subterranean tunnels Hamas has built over time is why even Israeli intel is limited in finding them. I predict that as Israel infiltrates over the coming weeks that even they will be surprised at much has been hidden below ground

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yep this is what hamas did with any funding that came their way yet palest voted them just like they kept that thief Arafat around for thirty years these people are hateful losers!

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Do you really believe the Palestinian people had a choice? There have been no elections since Hamas took over, from what I have read.

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All the same I myself find it hard to believe that thousands of hamas militants were involved in the Oct 7 raids and massacres and no one in Israel had a clue. And many Israeli civilians want an answer to that one as well.

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I do to, and I don’t think it was thousands of Hamas that infiltrated IDF or committed the atrocities in Israel.

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Completely agree Kenneth. Thanks.

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No, of course he would not "play" into anyone's hands intentionally. Please read my thread I posted on his page today. In short it summarizes that Arafat and later Hamas discovered the game of playing the West through the media. Stage a terrorist attack, make sure it provokes Israel to a response, then cast Israel as the armed uniformed oppressor assaulting plain clothes civilians. Which gets non Jewish Western liberal sympathy for the very people who initiated the attack. And yes, Palestinian civilians are caught in the middle. Similar thing with sending missiles into Israel from a civilian location (school, hospital) and then when Israel counterstrikes, they gladly display the civilian casualties as Israeli intended genocide. This doesn't make Israel without any blame in these casualties, but do recognize that it's engineered by Hamas who anticipates the "west's" reaction.

So unfortunately, Western non Jewish liberals predicable response to terror attacks actually helps give incentive for more, which gets Israel retaliating, etc....

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The pitfall here is that we are inclined to view Hamas’ actions with a Western mindset - but terrorist subculture in the Mideast can fool us. Our logic is that such groups and extremism can only form when conditions become so unfair and brutal that this is an inevitable result and therefore the “oppressors” are ultimately to blame ( not the terrorist actors). That is only half true- for in our own country we see today extremist supremicist groups acting out in scenarios like the January 6 insurrection. Was it true that Dems stole the election and that white culture is so persecuted that Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were justified? Of course not.

Palestinian civilians have suffered at the hands of both Israeli policy and Hamas - who have ensured that Gaza became a prison by using aid money to only attack Israel and force a wider conflict which they exploit. Then throw in that Hamas is sponsored and supported by foreign actors like Iran who have their own Stake in keeping the conflict going.

So while Israeli policy must improve for sure , that alone will not dismantle such a terrorist group and their stranglehold over Gaza.

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Yes exactly. Concerning 9/11, I would like to know why Saudi Arabia was not called on for reparations for all the victims. Since the largest portion of that group were Saudis!

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Bingo! If Gaza and issues surrounding her didn’t exist, I still believe Hamas would have attacked because the bottom line is they want all Jews dead. Good bye Michael Moore. I’m done subscribing.

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Why would anyone subscribe to this idiot anyway?

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the man is so obnoxious and despised he is a very ugly man inside and he loathes himself. agree ending the subscription The Lord will deal with him

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Totally agree! So disappointing.

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Taking sides at this point in the world's madness just illustrates the level of insanity now being reached. A massive shift to sensibility is imminent.

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i sincerely hope so!!

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Yes the Likud party (zionists) ARE trying to exterminate all nonzionists from Israel...don't try to defend an evil ideology with denialism.

Theodor Hertzl was a madman that used zionism to seize power among his herd. Likud is just riding that same evil mule.

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I don't think you read this whole Letter From Michael. When we know more, we rant less and refrain from non relevant accusals.

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And yet over 1500 Palestinian children lay dead, 47 entire Palestinian families taken off the register in Gaza. All dead from Israeli bombs supplied in part by the U.S.

Their deaths are on Netanyahu’s hands, and on Biden’s hands. Man’s inhumanity to Man. How terribly, awfully tragic all of this is.

And if this goes unchecked in Israel and Gaza, it opens the doors to happen unchecked everywhere. And THAT is terrifying!

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Israel does not want to kill all Palestinians as you say. It means to evacuate them. Just a bit more to go and then success. Andrew Jackson evacuated the Cherokee nation, but that was another time. Rounding up Palestinians and marching them on a trail of tears wouldn't be tolerated as it was when the Cherokee were marched to Oklahoma. Now it apparently takes a war and a warning to the Palestinians to evacuate what little is left of Palestine or get blown up by warplanes, bombs and tanks. Same motives with updated means. Andy Jackson could have done the same except he didn't have warplanes or tanks.

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I watched how the British/Aussies murdered the aboriginals by surprise attacking villages in pre dawn "attacks" and driving them off cliffs and decapitating civilians including women and paying soldiers bounties for doing it then calling the actions a war. This was within the last 150 yrs. How can anyone excuse this type of behaviour in 2023? The military contractors are taking their turn on the greed wheel of fortune. Big pharma did it with covid. Tech did it with crypto and now AI. Big oil is always hogging the greed wheel of fortune. Big banks/ finance are now trying to take the wheel back with interest hikes. The money pigs will be stopped. Mass shift is imminent.

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except please leave innocent pigs out of this.

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There is a name for Palestinians who didn’t evacuate in 1948, Israeli citizens. Until this week of terror, they happily lived and worked in Israel.

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Michael, I am about to say something I do not want to say. The truth is that I agree with the intention that no further innocents should die. II am an American non-Jew who lived in Israel for almost 3 years after the Six-Day War. I love Israel, like it is a part of me-- much as I love the United States. I am also a long-time student of Sufism (for those who are unfamiliar with the term, it is-- very roughly speaking-- the mystical side of Islam). What you say about the Palestinians not having been responsible for Auschwitz is true. But neither were the Russians who instigated pogroms against the Jews responsible for Auschwitz; neither were the French whose Vichy regime allied with the Nazis. Neither were the Spanish who evicted the Jews from Spain along with the Muslims. Neither were American white supremacists responsible for Auschwitz, though there is now evidence that the Germans learned from jim crow. The list is long and longer than this of peoples who were not responsible for Auschwitz, yet persecuted the Jews because they were Jews. In addition to this, there is the Hamas Charter. Though it has been amended to suggest a softening of opposition to Israel, here is an excerpt from Wikipedia:

"The original Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states that "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories,[3] and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.[4][5] It emphasizes the importance of jihad, stating in article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."[6] The charter also states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they "stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region".[7] The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion [of Islam]".[1]

This is what the Palestinians who founded Hamas sought. We in the West tend to soften the harshness of these goals too, asserting that what Palestinians “really want” is “self-determination” a vague notion that manages to finesse their real goal of liberation. It is true that most Palestinians want only to live in peace. That’s also true of most Israelis-- most people everwhere want to live in peace. But as it is sometimes remarked that Israelis just wish the Palestinians would disappear as a problem, the same is true for the Palestinians. Even those not committed to violence like to think of a day when Israel is no more, disappeared back into the mists of time. Israelis would experience relief if the Palestinians were no longer there and Palestinians would feel the same way if Israel were no longer there.

So, what is my point? That so long as the Israelis and the Palestinians regard one another’s existence as a threat to their own, nothing will change. That peace-- real peace-- requires some real willingness to give up the quest for one’s own survival at all costs. That real peace requires a willingness to acknowledge each other’s suffering and say, in effect, “We do not want you to suffer any more and we will stand by you as brothers. We want you to have a state and independence and we want to be your brother state: we will defend you and you will defend us. There will no longer be one justice for me and a different justice for you.”

And the problem is that neither is willing to do this, trust the other. Because each side knows the other just wants it to disappear. To do this would require a deep spiritual revival among both Israelis and Palestinians, Jews and Muslims. In their respective spiritual traditions and teachings there is common ground and spiritual brotherhood to be found for those willing to seek these. But we are not in times that people feel inspired to seek spiritual guidance. Unless those who suffer are willing to seek spiritual ground with those they deem responsible for their suffering and the suffering of their loved ones, the best that one who loves both sides who live in this “holy land” can do, is advocate for Justice to be implented even against one’s self and one’s family. That justice is also called Compassion. I am 75 years old now and have become convinced that in this life in this world, the only possible way to receive it is to first be willing to extend it. I pray to God that He soften hearts enough that they be willing to risk themselves for this possibility.

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"Out there beyond the right doings and the wrong doings, there is a field-I'll meet you there." Rumi

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Israel created Hamas. Don’t believe me? Perhaps you may believe Bibi:

https://open.substack.com/pub/kurtnimmo/p/netanyahu-bragged-about-zionist-support?

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If true peace ever broke out, Hamas would cease to exist. Like illness heals in a healthy body. Hamas is born from the injustices and inequity of the situation. As long as it is fed by that intentional inequity, there will not be peace. Michael Moore is for PEACE. It's actually pretty simple.

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Hamas’s charter is the murder of all Jews. If true peace broke out, Hamas would make sure to destroy it. They don’t care about Palestinians, injustices, or inequities. All they care about is killing Jews.

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Suz-an: well said. Hamas is a reaction to an unhealthy situation and not the other way round. Mike is for peace as I am and as reasonable people should be. When adversaries try reasoning instead of forcing, peace can break out.

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That's a lot of complicated history and the solution must be simple enough for simple people like myself. There is never peace in the face of injustice. Oppressed people resist if and when they can.

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I don’t know how complicated it is, but there certainly is a lot of history. One would like to believe tthat where we have been has little to do with where we are going. While I believe that is true of genuine saints and holy people, it is not true for most of us “normies.” But to reduce complications think of it this way: Do not support one side over another, be an advocate for justice and compassion on all sides. Peace is much more likely to flow from compassion than from an edless cycle of vengefulness. Once we have chosen a particular side against another particular side, we are trapped on what the Buddhists’ call the cycle of Samsara, the endless repetition of suffering that is the nature of this world. That is the dance the Israelis and Palestinians are locked into. If you do not live in Israel or Gaza, you are free to advocate for what is best for all, not just what is best for the side you sympathize for. How about we aim for an end to the needlesss suffering on both sides, rather than a perpetuation of it? If you do live in either Israel or Palestine, I am so sorry for what has happened,

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You really think Hamas cares about Palestinians?? I don’t see them hiding mothers and their children in the tunnels for protection. They build their hospitals and schools where the missiles are shot, so they can blame Israel for it. I guarantee the hospital and school bombed today came from Hamas, not Israel or not with an intention from Israelis of shooting civilians. Ever wonder why Hamas told their own people to stay when given warning of dangers in the north? Look at what’s really going on and you’d say, “D*%# Hamas! Why do you trick Israel into killing civilians?” Before this week, most IDF soldiers never shot a gun because they couldn’t get permission from higher ups because of possible civilian casualties! Read the IDF charter or look at trials of soldiers who acted unethically. You know nothing about this situation!

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War, Michael. It breeds murders, insanity, evils. Long-lasting hatreds, blindness.

When the U.S. rich organized for preemptive war against the American working classes, with the Powell memo, in 1971, they eventually offshored those millions of decent, working-class jobs -- and deeply hurt, poisoned all those abandoned. They got Citizens United. Got the Supreme Court stacked with far-right enablers of the rich.

Putin and his oligarchs did the same to the Russian people.

The world suffers viciousness from our billionaire classes who so largely rule. But before they did the open damage to the working classes, they dehumanized the schools -- U.S. and worldwide.

So we stew, suffer more insane repercussions of hatred, stoked by billionaire "news" media, by billionaire social media, and by dictators, autocrats, and nationalist worldwide.

Put humanities back in the schools, anybody? Put in essay writing programs so youth learning English worldwide might learn to cross the tribal, group-set borders to see and communicate with "others" as individuals in their cultures?

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The world suffers because of Confusion originating in Self-Ignorance. We are struggling now as a humanity because the brain which controls the narrative has run out of answers.

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Excellent point.

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I had to revisit the LFP memo. It’s safe to say the memo stirs up several things to many people. The left, right, rich, Chambers, etc. aside, the memo for many elicits emotions that could well include some taking thoughts and turning them into actions of war with all that comes with it. I’m admittedly ignorant of the documentation used in Israel's creation. My remark is that whatever the powers that were are, and likely will be, for a while, like those that prompted LFP to write what he did and those on paper that created the State of Israel, to perhaps many globally, as eluded to in the Memo, a necessity for education, further discussion, deliberation, action, etc. to avoid where things are today regarding the issues at hand as presented in Substack by authors and those commenting since October seventh. One guesses humanity can keep missing opportunities to get it right until there is no humanity, right? Thanks again for your thought-provoking comment.

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I agree with you assessment of Netanyahu, and I deeply regret that he got re-elected in spite of criminal indictments against him. He is an evil man. On the other hand I feel the rest of the World in conjunction with the US needs to round up the Hamas and Hezbolah leaders and throw them in prison along with Netanyahu, Trump, Putin, and the Iranian leadership. We do not need genocide of Iranians, Iraqis, Palestinians or Ukranians. We in the US need to defund the weapons industry. We already have enough weapons in the US alone to destroy every living creature on earth. It's time we all strapped on our adulthood forms and stop these hateful wars. We have a far greater threat against us with the ever increasing heat. The entire Earth will be affected, therefore every government and agency needs to pool all our resources to mitigate the climate catastrophe. That in itself is a large enough project to keep every human being in every country sufficiently employed to set aside greed and hatred for 50 or so years and figure out how to save most of the living things on earth.

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"We in the US need to defund the weapons industry. We already have enough weapons in the US alone to destroy every living creature on earth. It's time we all strapped on our adulthood forms and stop these hateful wars." YES!!!!!!!!!!!

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So happy you're in agreement

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Agreed. The great Supreme Court justice Oliver w Holmes said w/ law there’s anarchy. Law enforcement must arrest the criminals, put them on trial and then let jurors do their jobs. I truly can not believe the Israelis can not find the perpetrators. It’s a little like when a three year old w hands covered in chocolate says they did not eat all the chocolate cookies - except it’s not cute.

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Arguing about precisely who has committed the most heinous crimes will never end them.

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Hi Michael, I am curious as to what you expected Israel to do after the slaughter of hundreds of their people, which includes babies? Did you expect Israel to just talk it out with the terrorists? Israel responded the same way we responded to 9/11. It is very unfortunate that innocent civilians on both sides end up paying with their lives, but as far as Palestine goes that is all the fault of Hamas who uses innocent people as shields. I really would like to know what Hamas expected Israel to do after such a horrific attack on innocent civilians? I think that probably right now they are regretting doing such a terrible thing.

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“Israel responded the same way we responded to 9/11”

Uhuh, and look how well that turned out...🤦‍♀️

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Uhuh, have you heard anything these days about Al Qaeda?

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No because Afghanistan was abandoned after years of war. Again, civilians were left to suffer.

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Blame that on Al Qaeda and The Taliban who allowed Al Qaeda to use Afghanistan as their home base to launch the most devastating attack ever launched against the USA.

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No. The US media has not reported anything about the 23 year war that ended last summer. Any idea why that is?

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What is the media suppose to report??

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Alive and well inside Hamas!

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So the response to murdered children is to murder even more? And then blame their adults for it? How sick!! Gaza is almost 50% children. Not one of them voted for Hamas. Where is our humanity?! Thats right, it only applies to those “like us.” The others are less than human, as the Israeli Defense Minister called them “human animals.”

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So what would you have done? Hamas uses innocent people as shields, so blame the dead Palestinian children on the people who use them as shields! With terrorists you can't appear to be weak, because they will take full advantage of it!

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First, how does it feel to be a parrot? Simply repeating what you have been fed without giving it any thought. Second, think about the question you are asking - what would “you” do? Which clearly implies that YOU would do exactly what they are doing - blowing up women and children to smithereens. The “most humane and responsible army on the planet” bombs entire blocks to kill ONE hamas. It bombs civilians who are trying to escape.

Now lets get to what I would do. If I were a murderous Zionist, I would do exactly what they are doing. But if I were a Jew I would never have displaced 750,000 people and occupied their land in 1948. For the last 75 years I would not have subjected them to insane brutality, murdered their women and children, imposed barbaric apartheid on them. I would never have created the conditions that led to 10/7.

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Then according to your crazy logic I guess Afro Americans and Native Americans in the USA should go around killing innocent white people?! I bet you are thinking that is ridiculous, but you have no problem with Hamas doing just that! I don't give a damn what Israel has done to the Palestinians in the past, the answer is NOT to go and slaughter innocent people! Also, Israel does not go and target innocent Palestinians like you and so many others claim! They target Hamas who shields themselves with civilians, which you know, but won't admit! There is absolutely NO excuse for someone to retaliate against someone else by killing an innocent person and if you believe different then you might as well join Hamas!

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The Native Americans certainly fought back but were outgunned and eradicated to irrelevance by the european conquerors of this land. The African Americans are not in their land here. Their ancestors were brought here against their will - I think you’re smart enough to know this. Africans should absolutely fight colonizers in their lands. It ain’t crazy logic to resist occupation, in fact it is a right protected by international law.

All you have to do is walk a mile in the shoes of a Palestinian, but of course that thought would never come across your head.

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You just don't get it do you? Killing innocent people is never the right thing to do and if you believe in God then you should know that! Jesus would never condone the killing of innocent people no matter what the reason! I am Afro American and many black people in this country during slavery were murdered, but they never went around and murdered white people for revenge and that is how Jesus would want it, because it is God who will avenge the wrongs inflicted on his people, and all people are God's people.

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Yet, you won’t ask Hamas where is the humanity when they shoot rockets from schools and hospitals. They are using Palestinians as human shields by telling them not to head south when warned. You also don’t see Hamas hiding mothers and children in the tunnels for protection. They WANT their people dead and injured. I would not be surprised to learn the school and hospital destroyed, today, came from Hamas missiles.

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What do you call people who cut off the head of babies. Or as I heard one Israeli tonight describing that one of the terrorist actually shot the babies head off. What do you call that sick depraved individual??

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Same thing I call those who do this to babies:

https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1716540374708019274?s=48&t=47vkoccFQOBM9qFnfrSAhg

https://x.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1716149127074250781?s=48&t=47vkoccFQOBM9qFnfrSAhg

TERRORISTS!

Except one claims to be the most moral, humane army in the world.

Btw have you asked for evidence of the purportedly “beheaded” babies? It doesn’t exist, does it?

Meanwhile we have testimony from a kibbutz survivor that the IDF killed its own civilians:

https://youtu.be/3cPeRSVgUpQ?si=fEZBgr0JjNtLWnDd

The lies and deceit are unravelling fast...

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They don’t regret it. They will die as martyrs with virgins. They do not value life and wanted innocent Palestinians killed, so they could win a propaganda war against Israel and have idiots, like Michael Moore, fall for it.

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You and many others refuse to see the actual facts, Israel has made Palestine the largest open air prison in the world, all Palestinians are prisoners, when Israel says we are giving the Palestinians warnings to go somewhere else before they bomb their homes, just where do you think Palestinians are going to go? Israel is not bombing just Humus, they are wiping out entire Palestinian families, families who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel. There is no justification to kill innocent Israelis either. The thing is you and others are ignoring the crimes Israel was committing against the Palestinians for decades, Making their country a prison, Israel wipes out entire Palestinian settlements, Israeli snipers kill thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children each year, Palestinians only get 4 hours of electricity per day, very little food, almost no medical care. So now people like you just ignore the facts so you can justify your own bias and prejudice point of view.

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There are ways for the Palestinians to fight back with out killing innocent people. Israel doesn't attack unless it is being attacked and they target Hamas, but Hamas being evil like they are station themselves around civilian populations, so that if Israel attacks they will kill innocent people. Blame Hamas for that, not Israel!

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From (friend’s) my nephew in Israel…a piece of what at least one person is feeling in their fight for their own home. It’s long, there is a warning ahead of a very graphic description of what’s been done and it gives you a description on what Israelis are dealing with.

“I’ve been contemplating discussing this topic as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is triggering for many people, but I do have something important to share given my experience in the IDF (the Israeli army).

“For those who don’t know, I, like any 18-year-old in Israel, was recruited to the IDF. During my service, I’ve spent a total of about a year guarding the border with Gaza inside a tank. A few months were spent in the exact spot Gilad Shalit’s tank was attacked, the tank members were killed and he was kidnapped and held hostage for years by Hamas.

“Now for the part I think many aren’t aware of: Like most soldiers, I’ve never fired a single shot out of training.

“Not because we haven’t spotted Hamas terrorists digging tunnels or carrying guns. Because there were civilians in the area. When I say in the area, I mean anywhere near where they could get hurt.

“The amount of “yes”s required from the chain of command before firing, made it extremely rare that anyone fired. The decision-makers would cross intel + various visuals + inputs from other scenes and would usually answer “no”.

“I’ve also spent many months in checkpoints. Me, my friends, or anyone I’ve served with never shot a single bullet or assaulted Palestinians for fun.

“Throughout my service, like all soldiers, I was taught the “IDF moral standard” (רוח צה״ל) which is available online and you’re welcome to look into it. There are also various courses all soldiers must take.

“Don’t mistake this with me saying that Palestinians aren’t suffering or that Israeli soldiers are all extremely moral. I’m saying that the IDF, as a system, strives to be moral and keep civilians on both sides safe. Soldiers who don't act this way, reach the headlines in Israel and are trialed by the IDF court.

“This is not true for decision-makers in Gaza. They are extremely proud of the dead babies, raped women, and decapitated heads. They are disappointed my two-year-old wasn't hit by the missile they launched into my area. A few years ago, my wife's best friend's house was directly hit by a rocket. I live a few minutes from their old home.

“This doesn’t mean I don't have compassion for others suffering. I do. It’s a complex equation and both things can be true. Unfortunately, there is enough pain and suffering for everyone.

“My heart is truly heartbroken for all innocent citizens involved. Palestinians and Israelis. I think about this often, and if you know me personally, you know I could care less about a person’s nationality or ethnicity.

“But the point is: if you think the IDF just drops bombs randomly on Gaza, then you might want to shift your perspective based on someone who was actually there.

“You may also consider looking into the actions the IDF takes before bombing a building in Gaza or looking into the complexity behind trying to stop only terrorists without harming civilians (I think this important for context: their military headquarters are under a hospital).

“One last thing - I saw someone tweet something like ‘You can’t tell an oppressed nation how to retaliate’

“There is a pretty clear line (trigger warning - graphic descriptions of actual events from the past 4 days): Don't shoot babies in the head in front of their mothers. Don't rape women on the bodies of their friends they just partied with at a music festival. Don't parade naked dead bodies in the street. Don't send mothers a video of their son being murdered from his own WhatsApp. Don't livestream killing an elderly grandmother from her own Facebook account for her granddaughter to see live. The list is way, WAY longer than this, and we are just finding out just how bad it is (as I'm writing this, they found 40 dead babies). Heartbreakingly, this is not based on stories; this is all documented, posted, and celebrated proudly by Hamas on social media.

“I’ll end this post by saying: Hamas has brainwashed some of the Palestinians in Gaza. Not all, but some. These terrorists are not looking for peace. They are looking to murder me, my family, and every single person in my country.

“I’m not sure how your country’s army would react, but I know that my army is in an impossible situation trying to keep the country safe while trying not to harm civilians. If you’re not seeing it, consider diversifying your news sources.”

May He who makes peace in the heavens bring peace over all of us and let us say amen.

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Joyce, what you said should make the people who defend Hamas look just like the sick people they are, because the things you said the terrorists did to show off how brutal they were to the innocent people they murdered should show people you don't defend brutal killers!

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The thing is Israel is to blame for making Palestine a prison, making Palestinian suffer, killing their people, the US and other have made Israel a massive military and they are using iy yo enslave the Palestinian people. The innocent Palestinian people did not kill Israelis but Israel is conducting a genocide against all Palestinians, Israel is wiping out entire families, men, women, and children. Fact check how many Palestinians are killed each year by Israel and how many Israelis are kill by Palestinians. At least 14,212 Palestinians and 2,746 Israelis have been killed by someone from the other side since 2000. At least 2,434 Palestinian children and 143 Israeli children have been killed by someone from the other side since 2000. At least 99,968 Palestinians and 11,949 Israelis have been injured by someone from the other side since 2000. In total, at least 101,558 Palestinians and 11,962 Israelis have been injured. You still think Palestinians are picking on Israelis?

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I have said this 100 times already, but I'll say it again, Israel does NOT target innocent civilians! They target Hamas who station themselves around civilians to use them as shields and I think you know that, but you choose to spread Palestinian propaganda to get people on your side. Israel has no desire to kill innocent people, but what are they suppose to do? Do they just let Hamas kill their people, but not fight back because they could hurt civilians? I think you already know the answer to that! You need to read the post from Joyce so that you can see what brutal killers Hamas really is! Israel would never do anything like that to that Palestinians!!

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The thing is Israel is to blame for making Palestine a prison, making Palestinian suffer, killing their people, the US and other have made Israel a massive military and they are using it to enslave the Palestinian people. The innocent Palestinian people did not kill Israelis but Israel is conducting genocide against all Palestinians, Israel is wiping out entire families, men, women, and children. Fact check how many Palestinians are killed each year by Israel and how many Israelis are kill by Palestinians. At least 14,212 Palestinians and 2,746 Israelis have been killed by someone from the other side since 2000. At least 2,434 Palestinian children and 143 Israeli children have been killed by someone from the other side since 2000. This chart uses data from a 3rd party source and was last updated on August 11, 2018. At least 99,968 Palestinians and 11,949 Israelis have been injured by someone from the other side since 2000. In total, at least 101,558 Palestinians and 11,962 Israelis have been injured. You are walking blinders on, nothing can be done about that, it is what you choice to so.

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Yes and Sadam threw babies out of incubators. Turns out that was inflammatory hyperbole too. "Truth is the first casualty of war".

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We can all hope they are regretting it, but dollar to a doughnut they are not.....

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Please unsubscribe me. Keep the money just remove me. You focused exclusively on Palestinian hurt ….@#$&$ you for not reminding your readers of the barbarism inflected on kids and old people in Israel. You know just like I do that kids were tied together and burnt alive yet you still want redeem Palestinians who have encouraged and supported Hamas.

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Same. Unsubscribe me too. I was considering becoming paid, but that’s now a H*ll no.

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Thank you, Dr. Gabor Maté is a precious gem to humanity!

[I've seen films about some of what made him weep when he visited Palestine and Gaza.]

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Are they online? If so, please share links. Thank you.

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unable to access

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Excellently explained and supported! I have always been puzzled at why the world (the USA , the UN) has allowed Garza, the Palestinian situation to continue! Surely, as "cousins to the Jews", they. too. deserve and need their own homeland!!!!!! THANK YOU, MICHAEL MOORE for advocating and passionately supporting the Palestinians' rights.

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Excellent comment.

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There never was a Palestinian nation nor should there ever be one that has in its charter the express wish of killing all Jews in the name of their god. Yes, this is in HAMAS’ charter. Shame on you for supporting such a mentality and refusing to recognize the ethnic cleansing of Jews that Muslim countries have been doing for centuries. Even the surrounding Muslim countries don’t want the Palestinians for they recognize them as troublemakers who are full of hate. Notice that none of them are swooping in to help except Iran who also wants to destroy Israel. You’re on the totally wrong side here.

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What a crock of sh!t (you have been fed and digested). Muslims have a history of saving Jews going back centuries. As recently as the Holocaust, Jews were given safe haven in Muslim lands. Pick up a book not written by an Islamophobe. And if all you have is 15 minutes:

https://youtu.be/M5cL11dps4Y?si=NJooAD_TguyJ7wYE

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Sorry but you are the dupe of Islamist lies. Show us today where there are ANY Jews living in Muslim controlled land. Show us where Christians have equal right and full citizen status in any Muslim controlled land. HAMAS’ charter explicitly calls for the murder of all Jews in Israel and they showed that attitude on Oct 7th when they deliberately and ruthlessly attacked and murdered civilians in their homes, in the streets, at a music festival , and anywhere they could find them. In the normal world, that’s called a massacre. In your world, I guess it’s all right. After all, Jewish lives don’t matter, do they.

Historically, there has never been a ‘Palestinian’ nation-go ahead and find one reference to such a country if you can. The people who live in Gaza are a polyglot collection of nationalities who came from many countries, none of whom want them back. HAMAS used them as human shields when THEY attack Israel CIVILIANS from hospitals, schools, daycares, apartments, and then gleefully parade any wounded citizens as victims of Israel. They’re not-they’re victims of HAMAS’ indifference to their own people and the hapless MSM and leftists get suckered in by them. With all the millions they receive in ‘aid’ money, they’ve not used it to better the lives of their people but to build tunnels, but weapons, pay suicide bombers’ families, all concentrated to attack and kill Jews. Their schools teach kids how to ‘stab a Jew’ and consider them the worst of all creatures (which is taught in their Koran.’ Ask yourself why the Muslims living in Israel refuse to defect to them but prefer living in a Democracy instead of under HAMAS’ tyranny. You need to read some real history instead of being a ‘useful idiot’ for a murderous cult who would just as soon off you as a Jew.

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You and many others refuse to see the actual facts, Israel has made Palestine the largest open air prison in the world, all Palestinians are prisoners, when Israel says we are giving the Palestinians warnings to go somewhere else before they bomb their homes, just where do you think Palestinians are going to go? Israel is not bombing just Humus, they are wiping out entire Palestinian families, families who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel. There is no justification to kill innocent Israelis either. The thing is you and others are ignoring the crimes Israel was committing against the Palestinians for decades, Making their country a prison, Israel wipes out entire Palestinian settlements, Israeli snipers kill thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children each year, Palestinians only get 4 hours of electricity per day, very little food, almost no medical care. So now people like you just ignore the facts so you can justify your own bias and prejudice point of view, you don't think Israel wants to wipe out all Palestinians, watch the news and tell us all just who Israel is targeting, you think whole families are all Humus?

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Wrong. I don't blame Israel for containing the Gaza strip since that is where the jihadists come from to kill, maim, and destroy Israeli citizens. It is HAMAS that has turned it into a prison camp and it is HAMAS that shoots missiles and rockets and sends its suicide 'warriors' out to attack and destroy and kill. It is HAMAS that puts its own citizens in danger by shooting from hospitals and schools and apartment buildings and storing their weapons there, KNOWING that when Israel responds there will inevitably citizen causualties. Then they parade those wounded and/or killed through the streets crying crocodile tears and blaming Israel when it was HAMAS that fired FIRST and RELENTLESSLY. What do you expect Israel to do? Sit there and let its citizens (which includes muslims who do NOT want to emigrate to live under HAMAS) be killed and harmed?

It is HAMAS that is refusing to exist PEACEFULLY side by side with Israel and it is HAMAS or the other Leaders of that land that have turned down SIX OFFERS of land for peace. They don't want peace; they want everything and all the jews killed and gone. Read their charter. Israel has EVERY RIGHT to defend themselves and their citizens from the violence of the jihadists in GAZA. Surely you know that HAMAS has wasted all that aid money given to them on weapons, tunnels, military equipment instead of building infrastructures and water and electric plants that would benefit their citizens and help them build peaceful productive lives. Gaza was a garden area when the jews were forced to leave and give it to the 'palestinians' who thoroughly trashed it and turned it into what is is today. I just heard a Saudi muslim stating that Israel belongs to the Jews and the 'palestinians' are just a polyglot assembly of nationalities that have no right to that land and that no other muslim nation wants for they cause only trouble. The koran itself states clearly that the land of Israel was given by their god to the children of Israel FOREVER.

You all are just dupes of the usual jew-haters and are taking up the cause of the pograms of yesterday and the unsuccessful goal of the Nazis which can now be found in the MSM and 'progressives' around the world. Evidently EVERYONE has the right to exist EXCEPT Jews, right?

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The surrounding Muslim countries do not support the Palestinians b/c they are Semites just like the Jews. The Palestinians are not Arabs so the Egyptians and the other Arab countries are happy to watch the Semites destroy themselves.

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Oh, Mike, thank you, thank you! You are exactly right, and I applaud you. I was a member of a pro-Palestinian group for 13 years, and we in Syria and Lebanon as a little girl with my family in 1955-7. I also applaud the many Jews who know the truth and speak it.

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I've admired you for years, Michael, but this latest diatribe is glib and beneath you. The target is Hamas, not the Palestinians, over half of which also detest Hamas. The inhumanity of Hamas cannot go unanswered. It's amazing to me that the Jews get a day or two of compassion for an inhuman slaughter followed by what is sure to be years of vilification for trying to survive in a pit of vipers. Imagine if the US had a thousand of its people killed in a day. There would be nothing left of Gaza. Oh wait, we don't have to imagine -- we can look at what we did in Afghanistan and Iraq. I agree that many poor, innocent Palestinians have become victims in the process, but who is putting them in harm's way? Hamas holds them hostage, block roads, telling them not to leave even when they are warned to leave targeted areas. And, as insane as that all sounds, who is it that hides behind the Palestinians, using them as human shields? (And who gets the blame for using them as human shields?) Who builds their tunnels under their homes? Hamas, cowards that they are. The same cowards that massacred unarmed women and children, who shot them in the back as they fled, burned them alive in their homes, and massacred babies. Your argument simplifies a complex problem and tries to equate apples and oranges. How do you root out and annihilate a terrorist organization while keeping collateral damage to a minimum. Also, while I know that many Palestinians are innocent in this situation, you also seem to ignore history here (except for the glib part about how they didn't participate in the Holocaust -- I'll have to remember that). Going back to 1964, I'm sure you recall the PLO was founded and comprised of 6 Palestinian groups whose national charter called for the destruction of Israel. So let's be honest. There's enough blood on everyone's hands in the region. Yet only Israel faces enemies on all sides who do not recognize their right to exist. You do know they are the Native Americans of the region, right? They were kinda there first. Imagine if Canada and Mexico didn't recognized our right to exist and constantly tried to wipe us from the face of the earth. The world has seen fit to reduce the global Jewish population down to 0.2%. So when a thousand are massacred, it is a huge percentage and has to be answered. Even Bono recently said, it's ridiculous to think you can just ask for peace after what has happened. I'm no fan of Netanyahu and I'm sure he won't last a year. Instead of giving us a history lesson on how the Palestinians weren't involved in the inquisition, how about offering a solution that limits casualties on both sides while ensuring satisfactory consequences for Hamas who started this latest horror?

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You and many others refuse to see the actual facts, Israel has made Palestine the largest open air prison in the world, all Palestinians are prisoners, when Israel says we are giving the Palestinians warnings to go somewhere else before they bomb their homes, just where do you think Palestinians are going to go? Israel is not bombing just Humus, they are wiping out entire Palestinian families, families who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel. There is no justification to kill innocent Israelis either. The thing is you and others are ignoring the crimes Israel was committing against the Palestinians for decades, Making their country a prison, Israel wipes out entire Palestinian settlements, Israeli snipers kill thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children each year, Palestinians only get 4 hours of electricity per day, very little food, almost no medical care. So now people like you just ignore the facts so you can justify your own bias and prejudice point of view.

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So are you just cutting and pasting this on every response? I have never been a my country wrong or right. Not for the US, Israel or anyone. Does Israel make mistakes? Overreach? Create policies I don't agree with? Elect leaders that have no business being in power? Yes. And so do we. Doesn't make it right and I am asking for solutions here. You say "there is no justification to kill innocent Israelis either" but you don't offer an alternative solution and neither does Michael. Here are some questions:

1. If Hamas is solely responsible for this latest atrocity, how do we hold them accountable and bring them to justice if they are hiding behind the Palestinians? Do we just wait until they come out or turn themselves in? Do we just forget about the thousand who were slaughtered? Or are you saying they had it coming? Or that it's just blowback for past transgressions? If that's the case, is this war in Gaza the blowback in the opposite direction for the thousand slaughtered? Explain to me your thinking rather that providing talking points like "open air prison."

2. Why is is the welfare of the Palestinians solely an Israeli problem? Why do the the other Arab states never step up to help? I would argue that they have always been used as pawns by Arab countries as justification to wipe the Israelis out.

3. You say that we are "ignoring the crimes Israel was committing against the Palestinians for decades." If you want to play that game, how about you tell me who started the wars against Israel first? This has been going on for decades with charter after charter stating the annihilation of Israel as an intended goal.

4. Let's talk genocide since those who make your argument like to throw that word around like you know what it means. Genocide is the extermination of 6 million Jews in World World II. Jews are now 0.2% of the global population. 16 million. That's it. When Israel first became a state, there were 150,000 Palestinians living there. There are now 1.6 million Palestinians living in Israel. If the Israelis are committing genocide, they are not too good at it.

5. Lastly, if Israel is only hellbent on exterminating Palestinians, explain to me why half of East Jerusalem's Palestinians have said they would prefer Israeli citizenship to become citizens of a Palestinian state? (Palestinian Center for Public Opinion).

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My question is: does anyone believe that Israel does not know who or where the bad actors are?

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Michal Moore and I don't have solutions because we are nit experts in that field, we can only deal with the facts. Palestine is Israel's problem because they have turned Palstine into the largest ouy door prison in the world. ? Israel is not bombing just Humus, they are wiping out entire Palestinian families, families who had nothing to do with the attack on Israel. There is no justification to kill innocent Israelis either. The thing is you and others are ignoring the crimes Israel was committing against the Palestinians for decades, Making their country a prison, Israel wipes out entire Palestinian settlements, Israeli snipers kill thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children each year, Palestinians only get 4 hours of electricity per day, very little food, almost no medical care. So now people like you just ignore the facts so you can justify your own bias and prejudice point of view. The thing is Israel is to blame for making Palestine a prison, making Palestinian suffer, killing their people, the US and other have made Israel a massive military and they are using it to enslave the Palestinian people. The innocent Palestinian people did not kill Israelis but Israel is conducting genocide against all Palestinians, Israel is wiping out entire families, men, women, and children. Fact check how many Palestinians are killed each year by Israel and how many Israelis are kill by Palestinians. At least 14,212 Palestinians and 2,746 Israelis have been killed by someone from the other side since 2000. At least 2,434 Palestinian children and 143 Israeli children have been killed by someone from the other side since 2000. This chart uses data from a 3rd party source and was last updated on August 11, 2018. At least 99,968 Palestinians and 11,949 Israelis have been injured by someone from the other side since 2000. In total, at least 101,558 Palestinians and 11,962 Israelis have been injured.

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So your response is to copy and paste, again.

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You obviously are incapable of dealing with the facts, you can go online and find out what I am saying are the facts, when you have to make a comment about copy and paste, it is because you don't want the truth, you want to make up your own facts to fit what you want to believe. The problem with people like you is you poison the minds of others.

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I would comment but your response is immensely uneducated that I find it useless to provide a meaningful answer. You seem to stick to propaganda and lies and prefer the lies over standing for humanity. I prefer to not waste my time on stupid no find stupid will stay stupid no matter how much I try to downgrade my level of response. Please enjoy your lies. You have zero idea what you’re talking about.

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You people are all the same, what you said had no facts in it, and when I respond with facts, and you have no comment because you have no facts, so you call names and show how ignorant you are. This is why we can't resolve problems, because people like you see the world through a bias prejudice view where you make up your own facts.

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Thank you. Can’t believe Michael has the audacity to try to equalize what happened on October 7 and then basically says Israel is committing genocide shame on him! I have admired him for his movie, sicko, and the others, but it greatly saddens me that he and others that should know better are excusing Hamas, which means the word “never” whose main purpose is extermination not just of Israel but of all Jews. Thank you to those who responded in writing letting him know that his response has the moral rectitude of jello and I will say that his article tries and fails to equalize (like the students at Harvard) the behavior of Hamas with Israel which is blatantly false.

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Did history begin on Oct 7? Palestinians have been suffering a barbaric occupation since 1948. Their women and children have been brutally murdered for 75 years. Quit cryin when they fight back. Under International Law they have every right to. I am not condoning the purported killing of babies and women, that is NEVER justified. And the Israeli response is bloody insanity...

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The Hamas attack is by no means "fighting back." Rather it is a terror attack with the intention of provoking harm on Israel and on Gazan civilians in the inevitable response. That way Hamas serves its own ends by staying "relevant" in the extremist terror community. They work for themselves, no one else. Remember they went to gangster style war with Fatah (yes, killing each other) to cement a dictatorship over Gaza. They have allowed no elections since.

Extremist groups have their own ideology and this one is foreign fed and funded to boot.

Sadly, the middle east is full of militants vying for authoritarian power and using civilians as casual casualties - even when Israel is not involved. Think about the civil war in Syria, and how the Arab Spring went no where.

Israel is not innocent in the greater conflict, but please clear the low bar of realizing that Hamas' actions are not freedom partisans fighting back.

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Israel created Hamas. Don’t believe me? Perhaps you may believe Bibi:

https://open.substack.com/pub/kurtnimmo/p/netanyahu-bragged-about-zionist-support?

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...Oct 7? Good one.

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What do you call a Palestinian who stayed in Israel in 1948? An Israeli citizen. About 300 - 600 are fighting along with the IDF.

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And if the roles were flipped, what would you call them? Hint: begins with a T. I doubt you’ll get it so I’ll spell it out: T-r-a-i-t-o-r. Have a good evening.

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