When will these insurectionists... Including Traitor Trump.. be brought to justice? How long do we have to wait before the department of Justice moves?
This does not start with the Department of Justice. It starts with the House of Representatives and the Senate. They are the ones (both Democrats and Republicans) who have lacked the courage to bring these traitors up before their own ethics committees to lay the charge of sedition, insurrection, and finally treason against these miscreants. Email or call to your Congress person to insist they bring charges against all 147 traitors who voted to overturn the signed, sealed, delivered, and accepted votes by the voters in all 50 States. Yes, Janet R (CO) I remember you are banned from emailing Boebert - kudos to you, but both your Senators are Democrats and Josh Hawley among others who voted to overturn the election - prohibited by the Constitution are in the Senate. I will e-mail Congressman Bera, and Senators Feinstein and Padilla today. DONE Amendment XV allows the right to vote for ALL male citizens, and states Congress shall have the power to enforce this. Amendment XIX extends this right to women. Amendment XV does not say "unless the Congress persons disagree with the will of the people"
My big disappointment is that the Republican party is still called the Republican party. It should more accurately be called the American fascist party, and those who participated in the active sedition on January 6th should be called traitorist fascists. I'm not saying this to sound extreme.. I believe that my description of them is accurate. Failure to name them. What they are has resulted in them continuing to do damage to the foundation of our government.
Thank you, Janet, I knew you could be counted on. I agree about Nancy. I think all the Democrats including Nancy and my own Congressman, Dr. Bera were so wrapped up in getting much needed legislation passed they were too busy to pressure the Ethics Committee.
Well, they didn't accomplish a whole lot that they needed to. While my appreciation for Nancy has risen a lot during this past week, Janet's point is well taken. She should have done or at least said something about all these traitors.
It surely is. And some of these traitors - who were actively involved in the insurrection - will be sworn into congress as soon as a new speaker is elected. Unconscionable.
Thank you again Michael, the invasion of the Capital two years ago was personal for me. I have spent many hours on the Mall and in that beautiful building and to see these Trumplican Domestic Terrorists desecrate the Capital hurt. We cannot let these Bastards off. If the America I’ve known for my 82 years is to continue, we MUST hold them accountable.
NO mercy for what they have done. And those traitors in Congress who now plan to be seated……… must be bounced out on their asses. SHAME on us if we allow them to stain the Capital!
Thank you Peter. I was in California at the time so watched on TV, but I found it as disturbing as you. The last time our Capitol was attacked was August 24, 1814 and then it was a foreign enemy attacking. This time it was us!
Happy 12th Day of Christmas, Michael. You are the greatest gift America got this year (along with potus Joe).
Will you be selling the traitor posters? A manageable size would enable them to be posted on lampposts, walls, protest signs, trash cans, etc. I'd buy a dozen! To start!!!
They all should be indicted, the proof is on public record and they should serve the same sentence as the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys and hopefully Donald Trump.
Michael I support your idea of finding six Republican elected house member who were in pro-Biden segments of the country to join 212 democrats as independent. The McCarthy logjam in the house can be broken if dems can make inroads to convince them of the win-win in coalition. Also, I want to give a shout out for 2024 ticket. They are Gretchen Witmer, President and Rev. Warnock, VP. Both are stars and it is not too early to advance their names as new age leaders for the democrats.
Called Joaquin Castro's office yesterday to suggest this idea. His staffer promised to pass this idea along to him. He was our esteemed Congressman for 11 years. Last year, we had to move house. To our chagrin, we found ourselves just barely out of Joaquin's district... in the gerrymandered district of... Chip Roy.
What I still don’t get is why none of the House members haven’t been expelled after spewing their anti-election rhetoric? Please explain your comment regarding the Constitutional rule you just cited.
We have a very serious problem that I don't hear anyone talking about, which is the fact that the 141 traitorous insurrectionist were not suppose to run for office again, it is clearly written in the Constitution that anyone who took the oath of office and committed or participated in an insurrection or committed treason, cannot run for office. But these 141 traitors did run for office and some got elected, they are going to be sworn into office again even though they are Forbidden by the Constitution.
Our government is either using the Constitution if it benefits them, or ignoring the Constitution at their discretion. Those people who think that any of the politicians involved in the insurrection are going to be indicted and go on trial are having a pipe dream. The government is setup for the corporations, the rich, and politicians, and none of them will pay for their part in the treasonous insurrection.
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
The right to remove disabilities imposed by this Section was exercised by Congress at different times on behalf of enumerated individuals.1 In 1872, the disabilities were removed, by a blanket act, from all persons except Senators and Representatives of the Thirty-sixth and Thirty-seventh Congresses, officers in the judicial, military and naval service of the United States, heads of departments, and foreign ministers of the United States.2 Twenty-six years later, Congress enacted that the "disability imposed by section 3 . . . incurred heretofore, is hereby removed." 3
Again, and know that I am NOT arguing for the "other" side, proof of intent to commit insurrection is required under the law. Many of these stormers of the Capitol claimed that they were there at Trump's bequest, that they believed him when he said the election was stolen, and that we would lose our country if they didn't fight like hell. Some of those elected to office actually believed these lies. The law is precise and demanding. Inviolable proof is necessary. The fomenter is the key!
Seems like 14th Amendment, Clause 3 is pretty straight-forward. Not something left vague or ambiguous. So, like many others here, it completely confuses me that any of these traitors are representatives-elect. Seems like violating any other law. No clue how this is happening at all. And it is.
The "Law" yes, the Ethics Committees in both Houses, no. You are correct in that the DOJ must follow written law and precedence. The Ethics Committees can openly charge any member of the specific House with unethical behavior, and denying the enumerated will of the voting public is undeniably unethical. Of the nearly 100,000,000 votes cast Biden won around 58 million to Trump's 42,000,000. This was not a close race. Those 147 treasonous members could and should be drummed out of Congress for gross, public, unethical behavior. Whether or not they are charged by Law, they absolutely can be forbidden to hold office. I waited through the last Congressional Session, We, controlled the House of Representatives. Not one member not even the 'Quad' demonstrated the courage to stand for justice. So I've emailed my Congressman and both Senators now. After this 3 ring circus I think my Congressman and a number of conscientious Republicans may be willing to bring up charges of unethical behavior to oust the current 118 treasonous members.
It is not reason you are going something, it is what you are going that counts, these insurrectionist will say and do anything to not go to prison, these people were trying to bring down the government, and a lot of destruction of the Capitol was done, and people died. You think that all the people in prisons should be turned lose, if they thought when they committed their crimes, they were saving the world? If people do not get punished for their crimes, it will encourage others to commit crimes because if they came up with a good excuse they will get away with it.
Thank you for this explanation Michael, Section 5 of this Amendment states "The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. It does not say unless they disagree with it. Therefore the acts of 1872 an 1898 were unconstitutional. Amendment 14 can only be changed by another Amendment requiring the agreement of 2/3 of both houses of Congress and 3/4 of the States (38 at present) To remove even the 'disabilities' mentioned in Section 3 required 2/3 of both Houses. I suppose they might have gotten that considering the rabid racism of this Country from at least the 18th Century. The required number of votes should be listed in the National Archives.
But it wouldn’t change the t-shirt...we could still print the current traitors names and visages to help them never be Re-elected and at the very least embarrass them wherever seem!
Read Tom Hartmann today & how many of the 20 GOP holdouts in the House, have been involved w/Russia & if they make McCarthy not allow the debt ceiling to be raised, it’s the start of January 6th TWO‼️ Just heard he got 15 of them to consider voting for him--WHY⁉️⁉️
This has now become VERY SCARY!! How the hell did McCarthy get 15 of the 20 to now vote for him ⁉️ He MUST have promised NOT to raise the debt ceiling—a calamity bad for the entire WORLD!! These Republicans are starting the Insurrection all over again, people ‼️ What now, Michael?!
On this special day of Epiphany, when we ritually expect our leaders to be wise, I wish I could be wrong in what I have to say.
As I have been hinting, The foundation of all our difficulties seem to be more economic than political. We need to recalibrate our capitalist system to be more environmentally friendly to include the welfare of all planetary life which ultimately sustains a modicum of well being for all humanity as we know it. Our species is changing. It has to change. The question we don’t quite know is how. Let me be clear, my focus excludes corporations.
These necessary cultural adjustments require large commitments and sacrifice to envision a more harmonic world. Practicing Satyagraha will be part of the process; We must start small while thinking much larger than we have ever dared to collectively envision before. It has to be a monumental civil conversation to consider the needs of all with benign accommodation for minority views.
It seems to me that the easiest place people can start is to make sure 2-3 dozen insurrectionist scalawags voted out of legislative office never get to serve the public again. They violated their sacred oath of service and our honored trust. On this special day of the kings, ringleaders need be dealt with more sternly o this day next year for truth and justice to be served.
Thinking way big and starting quite small while learning to commit ourselves to Satyagraha for building lasting, loving change is my key idea here.
Wonderful. Thank you for reminding us who these cowards were and are! We should never forget!
When will these insurectionists... Including Traitor Trump.. be brought to justice? How long do we have to wait before the department of Justice moves?
This does not start with the Department of Justice. It starts with the House of Representatives and the Senate. They are the ones (both Democrats and Republicans) who have lacked the courage to bring these traitors up before their own ethics committees to lay the charge of sedition, insurrection, and finally treason against these miscreants. Email or call to your Congress person to insist they bring charges against all 147 traitors who voted to overturn the signed, sealed, delivered, and accepted votes by the voters in all 50 States. Yes, Janet R (CO) I remember you are banned from emailing Boebert - kudos to you, but both your Senators are Democrats and Josh Hawley among others who voted to overturn the election - prohibited by the Constitution are in the Senate. I will e-mail Congressman Bera, and Senators Feinstein and Padilla today. DONE Amendment XV allows the right to vote for ALL male citizens, and states Congress shall have the power to enforce this. Amendment XIX extends this right to women. Amendment XV does not say "unless the Congress persons disagree with the will of the people"
My big disappointment is that the Republican party is still called the Republican party. It should more accurately be called the American fascist party, and those who participated in the active sedition on January 6th should be called traitorist fascists. I'm not saying this to sound extreme.. I believe that my description of them is accurate. Failure to name them. What they are has resulted in them continuing to do damage to the foundation of our government.
absolutely
stunning, isn't it
Thank you, Janet, I knew you could be counted on. I agree about Nancy. I think all the Democrats including Nancy and my own Congressman, Dr. Bera were so wrapped up in getting much needed legislation passed they were too busy to pressure the Ethics Committee.
Well, they didn't accomplish a whole lot that they needed to. While my appreciation for Nancy has risen a lot during this past week, Janet's point is well taken. She should have done or at least said something about all these traitors.
When DOJ has inviolable evidence of intent.
I would think they would have that by now . How clear does it need to be that he incited interaction and was involved in the planning??
Right???
It surely is. And some of these traitors - who were actively involved in the insurrection - will be sworn into congress as soon as a new speaker is elected. Unconscionable.
Thank you again Michael, the invasion of the Capital two years ago was personal for me. I have spent many hours on the Mall and in that beautiful building and to see these Trumplican Domestic Terrorists desecrate the Capital hurt. We cannot let these Bastards off. If the America I’ve known for my 82 years is to continue, we MUST hold them accountable.
NO mercy for what they have done. And those traitors in Congress who now plan to be seated……… must be bounced out on their asses. SHAME on us if we allow them to stain the Capital!
From Highland, Michigan…….Peter Brown
Thank you fellow Michigander!
Thank you Peter. I was in California at the time so watched on TV, but I found it as disturbing as you. The last time our Capitol was attacked was August 24, 1814 and then it was a foreign enemy attacking. This time it was us!
Happy 12th Day of Christmas, Michael. You are the greatest gift America got this year (along with potus Joe).
Will you be selling the traitor posters? A manageable size would enable them to be posted on lampposts, walls, protest signs, trash cans, etc. I'd buy a dozen! To start!!!
I love it DeeDee! Great post!
They all should be indicted, the proof is on public record and they should serve the same sentence as the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys and hopefully Donald Trump.
Michael I support your idea of finding six Republican elected house member who were in pro-Biden segments of the country to join 212 democrats as independent. The McCarthy logjam in the house can be broken if dems can make inroads to convince them of the win-win in coalition. Also, I want to give a shout out for 2024 ticket. They are Gretchen Witmer, President and Rev. Warnock, VP. Both are stars and it is not too early to advance their names as new age leaders for the democrats.
Called Joaquin Castro's office yesterday to suggest this idea. His staffer promised to pass this idea along to him. He was our esteemed Congressman for 11 years. Last year, we had to move house. To our chagrin, we found ourselves just barely out of Joaquin's district... in the gerrymandered district of... Chip Roy.
What I still don’t get is why none of the House members haven’t been expelled after spewing their anti-election rhetoric? Please explain your comment regarding the Constitutional rule you just cited.
I am disturbed that the scanners for “hardware” being carried into the House chamber has been taken away. I don’t understand who made this happen??
We have a very serious problem that I don't hear anyone talking about, which is the fact that the 141 traitorous insurrectionist were not suppose to run for office again, it is clearly written in the Constitution that anyone who took the oath of office and committed or participated in an insurrection or committed treason, cannot run for office. But these 141 traitors did run for office and some got elected, they are going to be sworn into office again even though they are Forbidden by the Constitution.
Our government is either using the Constitution if it benefits them, or ignoring the Constitution at their discretion. Those people who think that any of the politicians involved in the insurrection are going to be indicted and go on trial are having a pipe dream. The government is setup for the corporations, the rich, and politicians, and none of them will pay for their part in the treasonous insurrection.
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
The right to remove disabilities imposed by this Section was exercised by Congress at different times on behalf of enumerated individuals.1 In 1872, the disabilities were removed, by a blanket act, from all persons except Senators and Representatives of the Thirty-sixth and Thirty-seventh Congresses, officers in the judicial, military and naval service of the United States, heads of departments, and foreign ministers of the United States.2 Twenty-six years later, Congress enacted that the "disability imposed by section 3 . . . incurred heretofore, is hereby removed." 3
Again, and know that I am NOT arguing for the "other" side, proof of intent to commit insurrection is required under the law. Many of these stormers of the Capitol claimed that they were there at Trump's bequest, that they believed him when he said the election was stolen, and that we would lose our country if they didn't fight like hell. Some of those elected to office actually believed these lies. The law is precise and demanding. Inviolable proof is necessary. The fomenter is the key!
Seems like 14th Amendment, Clause 3 is pretty straight-forward. Not something left vague or ambiguous. So, like many others here, it completely confuses me that any of these traitors are representatives-elect. Seems like violating any other law. No clue how this is happening at all. And it is.
exactly, what does that say about our government? This country was founded with the Constitution the law of the land.
The "Law" yes, the Ethics Committees in both Houses, no. You are correct in that the DOJ must follow written law and precedence. The Ethics Committees can openly charge any member of the specific House with unethical behavior, and denying the enumerated will of the voting public is undeniably unethical. Of the nearly 100,000,000 votes cast Biden won around 58 million to Trump's 42,000,000. This was not a close race. Those 147 treasonous members could and should be drummed out of Congress for gross, public, unethical behavior. Whether or not they are charged by Law, they absolutely can be forbidden to hold office. I waited through the last Congressional Session, We, controlled the House of Representatives. Not one member not even the 'Quad' demonstrated the courage to stand for justice. So I've emailed my Congressman and both Senators now. After this 3 ring circus I think my Congressman and a number of conscientious Republicans may be willing to bring up charges of unethical behavior to oust the current 118 treasonous members.
Aye, there's the rub.
They're not officially insurrectionists until they're charged, tried, and convicted.
Their Senate and Representative lapel pins are apparently 'stay out of jail' cards.
It is not reason you are going something, it is what you are going that counts, these insurrectionist will say and do anything to not go to prison, these people were trying to bring down the government, and a lot of destruction of the Capitol was done, and people died. You think that all the people in prisons should be turned lose, if they thought when they committed their crimes, they were saving the world? If people do not get punished for their crimes, it will encourage others to commit crimes because if they came up with a good excuse they will get away with it.
Thank you for this explanation Michael, Section 5 of this Amendment states "The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. It does not say unless they disagree with it. Therefore the acts of 1872 an 1898 were unconstitutional. Amendment 14 can only be changed by another Amendment requiring the agreement of 2/3 of both houses of Congress and 3/4 of the States (38 at present) To remove even the 'disabilities' mentioned in Section 3 required 2/3 of both Houses. I suppose they might have gotten that considering the rabid racism of this Country from at least the 18th Century. The required number of votes should be listed in the National Archives.
Truly? That would change everything!
But it wouldn’t change the t-shirt...we could still print the current traitors names and visages to help them never be Re-elected and at the very least embarrass them wherever seem!
Thanks for your further elucidation on this!
Yes, and there was a memorial commemoration on the Capitol stairs for those who were injured/killed 2 years ago. Only 1 Republican showed up. SHAME.
Now ‘There’s a clue’!
The GQP - Where cowardice is bravery and treason is patriotism. 🥷🏻 #NeverForget
Kirsten, I have enjoyed so many of your posts!
This one I may have to make into a t-shirt to wear.
Too bad it cannot include the whole list of insurrectionist as well.
Maybe separate t-shirts for the varying states would work best...more direct and larger ID so people could see them.
If you’re on Twitter or Fakebook, a meme would shine a light on the traitors too. 😉
I avoid both Twitter and Facebook. But anyone could post this.
I comment on WAPO and also, stay off the Lugenpresse.
Hackers stole over 200 million email addresses from @Twitter users and published them on an online forum, cybersecurity firm says.
Read Tom Hartmann today & how many of the 20 GOP holdouts in the House, have been involved w/Russia & if they make McCarthy not allow the debt ceiling to be raised, it’s the start of January 6th TWO‼️ Just heard he got 15 of them to consider voting for him--WHY⁉️⁉️
This has now become VERY SCARY!! How the hell did McCarthy get 15 of the 20 to now vote for him ⁉️ He MUST have promised NOT to raise the debt ceiling—a calamity bad for the entire WORLD!! These Republicans are starting the Insurrection all over again, people ‼️ What now, Michael?!
On this special day of Epiphany, when we ritually expect our leaders to be wise, I wish I could be wrong in what I have to say.
As I have been hinting, The foundation of all our difficulties seem to be more economic than political. We need to recalibrate our capitalist system to be more environmentally friendly to include the welfare of all planetary life which ultimately sustains a modicum of well being for all humanity as we know it. Our species is changing. It has to change. The question we don’t quite know is how. Let me be clear, my focus excludes corporations.
These necessary cultural adjustments require large commitments and sacrifice to envision a more harmonic world. Practicing Satyagraha will be part of the process; We must start small while thinking much larger than we have ever dared to collectively envision before. It has to be a monumental civil conversation to consider the needs of all with benign accommodation for minority views.
It seems to me that the easiest place people can start is to make sure 2-3 dozen insurrectionist scalawags voted out of legislative office never get to serve the public again. They violated their sacred oath of service and our honored trust. On this special day of the kings, ringleaders need be dealt with more sternly o this day next year for truth and justice to be served.
Thinking way big and starting quite small while learning to commit ourselves to Satyagraha for building lasting, loving change is my key idea here.
Dear Michael....you are a “dear”.....for reminding me yet again the TRUTH...
Thank you, Thank you. Again, YOU are the warrior of TRUTH.
Keep up the Good Fight, Michael
Does the 14th Amendment specify, who is responsible for removing them, or how…what is the process? If not let’s get that into place.
I can't believe they are still in Congress!! ARGGGGG
Get them out!!!!