Here Comes Trouble: Stories from My Life

"Outstanding…Moore Triumphs! Publishers Weekly

Mike & Friends Blog

David Swanson

David Swanson is a longtime peace and justice activist and author of 'War Is a Lie'

February 20th, 2013 12:33 PM

Lawrence Wilkerson and David Swanson Debate Colin Powell's Lies at the United Nations

When I wrote about MSNBC's documentary on Iraq war lies this week, I linked to an earlier blog post of mine that drew heavily on a House Judiciary Committee report on the same topic, as well as to Lawrence Wilkerson's recent debate with Norman Solomon on Democracy Now!

When Brad Friedman reposted my Hubris review, he suggested I ask Wilkerson for a response.  I did and here it is:

David,
Several misleading and even spurious bullets and headlines that make strong claims that are not supported in the surrounding narrative.  For example, no one ever DID warn Powell about Curveball, in fact quite the opposite. This particular source--billed as an Iraqi engineer who had defected--was George Tenet's--the DCI's--strongest weapon.  And incidentally, the title "Curveball" was never heard until well after the 5 Feb presentation.
Your use of INR's assessment of "weak" repeatedly, is weak itself.  INR was at the time one of 15 intelligence entities in the US intelligence architecture at the federal level. (Add Israel  France, the UK, Jordan, Germany, et al, and of course you get even more).  INR's assessments were often viewed--indeed still are--as maverick within that group (and were particularly so viewed by George Tenet and his deputy John McLaughlin.  Indeed, INR's insistence on putting a footnote in the October 2002 NIE with regard to its doubts about Saddam's having an active nuclear weapons program was only grudgingly acknowledged and allowed by Tenet.  And in truth, INR itself concurred in the overall NIE's finding that chems and bios existed (and the NIE was the root document of Powell's 5 Feb presentation). 
I have admitted what a hoax we perpetrated.  But it actually spoils or desecrates a fair condemnation of what is already a bad enough set of misstatements, very poor intelligence analysis, and--I am increasingly convinced, outright lies--to take the matter to absurdity with one man, in this case Powell.   
To see my point dramatically, one must realize that whether Powell had given his presentation or not, the President would have gone to war with Iraq. That doesn't relieve Powell or me or any of us who participated in preparing Powell of responsibility; it simply places the bulk of that responsibility squarely where it should rest. 
You, Ray McGovern, and I will never reach accord on this I'm certain; but I must say that just as I may have biases from my long association with Powell, I believe both of you should examine your biases with regard to the man.  Just as it was very difficult for me to face the fact I had participated in a hoax, it probably is just as difficult that you two admit you may be too aggressively critical of Powell. Both our conditions are recognizably human and yours more forgiveable than mine to be sure.  lw
Here's my reply:
Larry,
Thanks for this response.
I'm CCing Brad Blog which posted my commentary and might want to post your reply.
Here's my reply to your reply (also available to publish) :-)

Whether or not anyone told Powell of Curveball's reputation, Powell's own staff, the INR, told him the claims were weak, the claims that came from Curveball and from numerous other sources.  The INR told him the claims were weak and questionable and even implausible. 
Powell used fabricated dialogue.  He used evidence from a source who had admitted all the weapons had been destroyed years ago, but failed to mention that bit.  Again, here is the catalog of bogus claims: http://www.consortiumnews.com/2011/021811a.html
You yourself in Hubris state that claims you'd rejected were put back in.  That is a moment to resign in protest, not to move forward and dismiss the INR, the State Department's own experts, as "maverick." 
When the Pentagon and the White House build a transparently fraudulent case for war, rejected by countless experts, many nations, and much of the public, the State Department's job is to support fact-based analysis regardless of whether it is "maverick." 
You recently accused Norman Solomon on DemocracyNow! and all other truth tellers of that time of having failed to warn you -- as if we weren't shouting into every available microphone.  If word had slipped through to you, it seems you would have rejected it as "maverick." 
This is highly discouraging.  If analysis within our government consciously engages in groupthink, where will we find the whistleblowers necessary to prevent the next war? 
Please do not imagine that any of us suppose the President wasn't intent on going to war at all costs.  It was the transparency of that intention that created the largest public protest in world history.  But to suggest that Powell and you did no harm by supporting a war that might have gone ahead even if you'd resisted is a complete breakdown in morality.
I don't believe blame works that way.  Blaming Bush more doesn't blame Powell or you less.  It just blames Bush more.  Blame is not a finite quantity born of a drive for vengeance and distributable to a limited number of people.  Blame is what we each deserve when we fail to take the best actions available, as explained here.
Creative Commons License This content is licensed under a
Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License

You must log in to comment.

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Log in | Register

Revealed: the top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant www.guardian.co.uk Fisa court submissions show broad scope of procedures...

Jun 21st
8:59 AM
Read More

Michael Hastings' Wife Obliterates New York Times For Dismissive Obituary www.huffingtonpost.com Hastings’ widow, Elise Jordan, is firing back at Times...

Jun 20th
7:58 PM
Read More

From Global Zero -- we can get to a world without nuclear weapons: The World Must Stand Together Matt Damon, Robert De Niro, Michael Douglas, Morgan Freeman,...

Jun 20th
2:27 PM
Read More

RootsAction | Media want war in Syria. We don't. act.rootsaction.org Only 11% of the U.S. public wants the U.S. providing weapons to the Syrian...

Jun 19th
11:58 PM
Read More

Missing Michael Hastings www.buzzfeed.com One of the great reporters of his generation died Tuesday at 33. The stories he wrote, and the ones he didn't...

Jun 19th
7:19 PM
Read More

Rest in peace, Michael Hastings, author of 'The Operators': BuzzFeed Reporter Dies In Car Crash At Age 33 www.huffingtonpost.com Journalist Michael...

Jun 18th
8:20 PM
Read More

After Newtown shooting, mourning parents enter into the lonely quiet www.washingtonpost.com After the shooting and the politics, the Barden family suffers all...

Jun 18th
4:43 PM
Read More

From This Modern World, about Edward Snowden and the NSA: Daily Kos: Sensible thinkers www.dailykos.com Click to embiggen Support independent cartooning:...

Jun 17th
5:35 PM
Read More

Edward Snowden Q&A: NSA whistleblower answers your questions www.guardian.co.uk The whistleblower behind the biggest intelligence leak in NSA history is...

Jun 17th
1:36 PM
Read More

From the Electronic Frontier Foundation: Biden in 2006 debates Obama in 2013 over NSA spying program Watch then-Senator Joe Biden from 2006 as he directly...

Jun 14th
5:45 PM
Read More

Senator caught in strip club with his pants down When money wins, we all lose. Join the fight to stop bribery & corruption at...

Jun 14th
5:42 PM
Read More

RootsAction | No New War in Iran or Syria act.rootsaction.org Sign the petition opposing war by the United States or NATO in Iran or Syria.

Jun 14th
3:15 PM
Read More

ICYMI -- Stop Watching Us | Stop Watching Us optin.stopwatching.us We write to express our concern about recent reports published in the Guardian about the...

Jun 13th
12:42 PM
Read More

We really should have listened to Shia LaBeouf five years ago: Shia Labeouf: One-In-Five Phone Calls Are Recorded (2008-09-16) Clip from The Tonight Show...

Jun 13th
12:13 PM
Read More

Bradley Manning Has Done More for U.S. Security Than SEAL Team 6 ...by Chase Madar www.michaelmoore.com Thanks to Bradley Manning, our disaster-prone elites...

Jun 11th
3:10 PM
Read More

Historic challenge to support the moral actions of Edward Snowden ...by Norman Solomon www.sfbg.com

Jun 10th
11:48 AM
Read More

RootsAction | Thank NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden act.rootsaction.org Sign a thank-you note that will be delivered to NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. And...

Jun 10th
11:42 AM
Read More

12pm Union Square: Rally Supporting #NSA Whistle Blower Edward Snowden www.sparrowmedia.net 12pm EST activists, journalists & concerned New Yorkers will...

Jun 10th
10:56 AM
Read More

Daniel Ellsberg: "In my estimation, there has not been in American history a more important leak than Edward Snowden's release of NSA material – and...

Jun 10th
10:00 AM
Read More

NSA surveillance as told through classic children's books www.guardian.co.uk As news of the NSA's secret surveillance programs spread this weekend,...

Jun 9th
7:28 PM
Read More

Thank you, Edward Snowden -- destined to go down as one of the greatest whistleblowers in American history.

"I don't want to live in a...

Jun 9th
3:44 PM
Read More

ICYMI -- Husain Bazzi of Mike's High School Newspaper will co-chair a panel at the 2013 Left Forum at Pace University in NYC. Today, Sunday at 3 pm,...

Jun 9th
12:34 PM
Read More

Report by Mike's High School Newspaper from day 2 of the Left Forum in New York: Left Forum Day 2 Tweets | Michael Moore | High School Newspaper...

Jun 9th
12:33 PM
Read More

MORE from Glenn Greenwald. Someone near top of the U.S. government is very, very worried about what the NSA is up to: Boundless Informant: the NSA's...

Jun 8th
4:45 PM
Read More

Welcome to PRISM Internet Backup Service jcfrog.com I do hereby declare my allegiance to the USA and swear to their God that I will never try to hide any part...

Jun 8th
1:18 PM
Read More

Jeremy Scahill's film 'Dirty Wars' opens TODAY in Los Angeles, New York and Washington, DC. Couldn't be more timely: Dirty Wars...

Jun 7th
8:15 PM
Read More

MORE from Glenn Greenwald. Someone near the top of the government is very worried about Obama and the ever-growing National Security State: Obama orders US...

Jun 7th
6:25 PM
Read More

Glenn Greenwald's follow up to his blockbuster Verizon story -- it turns out the *all* the biggest internet companies (including Facebook) are turning...

Jun 7th
12:20 PM
Read More

You probably thought Glenn Greenwald's scoop would be the biggest the biggest story about the National Surveillance State this year. Well...

...

Jun 6th
7:09 PM
Read More

Husain Bazzi of Mike's High School Newspaper will co-chair a panel at the 2013 Left Forum at Pace University in NYC. This Sunday at 3 pm, please come if...

Jun 6th
6:56 PM
Read More

Subscribe to Mike's Blog RSS

Click here to suggest an article

Mike's Blog

See More Blogs

Vew the archives

View older articles